About Time: Qantas Will Improve Reward Flight Downgrade Compensation

A Qantas Boeing 737-800 and Emirates A380 at Melbourne Airport
Qantas and Emirates may be partner airlines, but they treat downgraded passengers very differently. Photo: Matt Graham.

Qantas recently improved its involuntary downgrade refund policy significantly. If you’ve booked a commercial ticket with Qantas in a premium cabin, and Qantas downgrades you, you’re now entitled to a refund of 75% of the ticketed coupon value.

It’s great that Qantas now makes its commercial booking downgrade policy available to the public, and a 75% refund seems reasonably fair in most cases. However, this only applies to paid airfares. If you book a Classic Reward ticket on a Qantas flight using frequent flyer points, and the airline downgrades you, the current process is way worse…

Why airlines occasionally downgrade passengers

Even on airlines that don’t actively choose to overbook flights for commercial reasons, there’s a myriad of reasons why they might still occasionally need to downgrade somebody to a lower cabin than booked.

For example, if your flight gets cancelled at the last minute and the airline needs to rebook you onto another flight, there might not be seats available on new flights in the cabin you booked. Similarly, an airline might need to re-accommodate Business Class passengers from another cancelled flight onto your flight.

A flight could also dispatch with fewer serviceable Business or First Class seats than expected if some seats are broken. And in the case of Qantas, on-duty pilots who are flying as passengers to another airport contractually get priority for Business Class seats over paying customers.

How Qantas compensates for downgrades on Classic Reward bookings

Currently, Qantas has different processes and policies for compensating passengers who are downgraded on commercial bookings, compared to reward seat bookings.

Passengers on commercial bookings are now entitled to a 75% refund of the value of the ticketed coupon. This also applies if your seat in one of Qantas’ premium cabins is inoperable.

But the policy for reward bookings is more opaque and far less generous.

As we understand it, Qantas’ current policy for reward flight downgrades is to refund only the difference between the Qantas Points that it would have cost to fly in the booked cabin, and the points required for a seat in the cabin flown.

This is calculated for the flight sector that was downgraded. So for example, if you booked a Business Classic Reward flight from Sydney to Cairns via Brisbane, and only the Sydney-Brisbane sector got downgraded to Economy, you would be entitled to the difference in points required for a standalone Sydney-Brisbane booking in Business vs Economy Class.

That’s at least something. But this policy doesn’t provide any extra compensation for the inconvenience. And the worst part is that actually receiving the promised compensation can be easier said than done.

For what it’s worth, Qantas customers departing from certain jurisdictions such as Europe or the UK would be entitled to further compensation for a cabin class downgrade. But this isn’t required under Australian law, and Qantas lobbied hard to stop similar laws being introduced in Australia.

AFF members have struggled to get refunds for Qantas reward flight downgrades

There have been many stories over the years on the Australian Frequent Flyer (AFF) forum about Qantas customers being treated unfairly after being involuntarily downgraded. Unfortunately, this is still happening to customers downgraded on Qantas reward tickets.

In July, AFF member Dmac59 had booked with Qantas Points to fly from Melbourne to Cairns in Business Class. The day before the flight, Qantas sent them the following email:

We’re sorry to let you know due to operational requirements we’ve exceeded capacity in the Business class cabin on your flight QF702 to Cairns departing on 14 July 2025.

Qantas promised to refund Dmac59 the difference in points between Business and Economy Class. But no further compensation was offered, and this member ended up having to follow up with Qantas numerous times to actually get the points owed. After getting nowhere with Qantas’ regular customer service channels, this customer eventually escalated the issue to senior Qantas management out of frustration.

All up, it took Dmac59 two months and considerable hassle just to receive what Qantas promised in the first place. This is simply unacceptable, especially when Qantas initiated the downgrade in the first place.

Row 4 on the Qantas Boeing 737-800
Qantas made it unreasonably difficult to get a refund after downgrading a customer to Economy. Photo: Matt Graham.

Sadly, this isn’t an isolated incident. A fortnight ago, another AFF member posted this on our forum:

We were due to fly premium economy QF3 during September and it was cancelled. Qantas provided an alternative through LAX (premium economy) and then onwards in American Airlines economy cabin. My fare was a revenue fare and I received a partial refund. Qantas advised my husband (points booking) would receive partial refund as well. Partial refund of taxes received quickly for both of us. 
I have been going round in (never ending) circles with Qantas Customer Care trying to get the partial points refund for the past 5 weeks. Thus far, I have been advised they have been paid, they will be paid within 7 days, they will be paid within 72 hours, the case is closed, that he is not due them because it was a cash fare. All incorrect.

Dieselcanberrra on the AFF forum

Qantas is reviewing its reward flight downgrade policy

We reached out to Qantas for comment on Dmac59‘s experience. The airline acknowledged that its current process needs improving.

“We sincerely apologise that the member wasn’t able to fly in their chosen cabin and for the difficulty getting their refund. We are reviewing our policies and processes to ensure we provide consistent and timely support for members in these situations,” a Qantas spokesperson told us.

Australian Frequent Flyer understands that Qantas is now working to create a single, consistent involuntary downgrade policy for all customers. As the process is currently different for commercial and reward seat bookings, this policy change should be a positive improvement for frequent flyers downgraded on reward bookings.

Let’s hope this new procedure comes into effect sooner rather than later.

When any airline downgrades someone who booked a Premium Economy, Business or First Class seat in good faith, the least they can do is to proactively give fair compensation. Making a customer waste months chasing a refund for a downgrade they never wanted in the first place just rubs salt into the wound.

Chalk and cheese: How Emirates handles involuntary downgrades

In case there was any doubt about how poor Qantas’ current reward flight downgrade policy is, let’s take a moment to compare it to that of Emirates.

Last year, AFF member boffman had redeemed Qantas Points to fly Emirates First Class from Sydney to Glasgow via Dubai. The day before the flight, Emirates downgraded the Dubai-Glasgow sector to Business Class.

Emirates A380 Business Class seating
Emirates A380 Business Class. Photo: Emirates.

This is what happened when this member boarded their flight from Dubai:

I’m pinching myself. As I was boarding the flight to Glasgow an Emirates rep took me to one side, apologised for the change of plane and gave me a voucher for SYD-DXB-GLA return in F!!

boffman on the AFF forum

Emirates made this hassle-free, and boffman has already redeemed the voucher for a new First Class ticket to Glasgow. Now this is how you turn an angry customer into one that will be loyal to your airline for many years to come!

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The opening para of the article suggests passengers on a paid fare are entitled to a 75% refund of the ticket value.

It’s actually more nuanced than that… the refund is against the ticket coupon for the flight affected, not the whole ticket.

This could mean that for connecting flights, the value won’t be 75% of the entire ticket, just a portion of that for the affected flight. Connecting LHR-SYD-MEL, a downgrade on the SYD-MEL flight could be minimal.

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The opening para of the article suggests passengers on a paid fare are entitled to a 75% refund of the ticket value.

It’s actually more nuanced than that… the refund is against the ticket coupon for the flight affected, not the whole ticket.

This could mean that for connecting flights, the value won’t be 75% of the entire ticket, just a portion of that for the affected flight. Connecting LHR-SYD-MEL, a downgrade on the SYD-MEL flight could be minimal.

Thanks for that clarification, I've adjusted the wording in the article.

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The opening para of the article suggests passengers on a paid fare are entitled to a 75% refund of the ticket value.

It’s actually more nuanced than that… the refund is against the ticket coupon for the flight affected, not the whole ticket.

This could mean that for connecting flights, the value won’t be 75% of the entire ticket, just a portion of that for the affected flight. Connecting LHR-SYD-MEL, a downgrade on the SYD-MEL flight could be minimal.

Probably not so relevant for CR down grades, but on a recent HNL-SYD downgrade (PE to whY due to equipment swap), we received the 75% of that sector AND a $400 “QANTAS Care” voucher AND ORCs (those came through automatically but I did have to chase up DSCs and full credit to my QBR account - all came through).

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Qantas customers on commercial airfares are now entitled to a refund of 75% of the fare paid. This policy does not yet apply to Classic Reward bookings, but AFF understands that this will change soon. And given the terrible experiences many AFF members have reported over the years, it's not before time.

With UK-EU261 it makes no difference to how paid:. Cash or ff miles both get 75% (of the effected sector less real taxes)

Good AFF ~ MattG has confirmed with QF the policy

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To satisfy my full understanding of this, and perhaps that of others who read this article, a couple of questions:

  1. What exactly is a "ticket coupon" and how does that differ to the "price paid" or the "ticket" etc?
  2. Does a "ticket coupon" amount included taxes, surcharges and all of the other add-ons?
  3. Where do I find what the "ticket coupon" amount is? Is it printed on the e-ticket somewhere or is it hidden away from view of the passenger?

If the amount of the "ticket coupon" is not clearly visible to a passenger and it doesn't include the full grossed-up cost of the ticket cost paid by the passenger then 75% of the "ticket coupon" is going to be substantially less than "75% of the price paid for the ticket by the passenger" and perhaps nothing much has changed at all from the Qantas perspective except that have put words around what they have been already doing in the past.

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To satisfy my full understanding of this, and perhaps that of others who read this article, a couple of questions:

  1. What exactly is a "ticket coupon" and how does that differ to the "price paid" or the "ticket" etc?
  2. Does a "ticket coupon" amount included taxes, surcharges and all of the other add-ons?
  3. Where do I find what the "ticket coupon" amount is? Is it printed on the e-ticket somewhere or is it hidden away from view of the passenger?

If the amount of the "ticket coupon" is not clearly visible to a passenger and it doesn't include the full grossed-up cost of the ticket cost paid by the passenger then 75% of the "ticket coupon" is going to be substantially less than "75% of the price paid for the ticket by the passenger" and perhaps nothing much has changed at all from the Qantas perspective except that have put words around what they have been already doing in the past.

For a straight out A-B ticket, the coupon value is exactly that, the full fare. If it’s $1000, you’d be entitled to $750.

But it becomes more complicated if you have a ticket such as LHR-SYD, connecting with another flight to MEL. The SYD-MEL flight usually has a value. But working that out can be complicated. I think in the EU and UK they calculate it by total distance and cost of the ticket.

I don’t know if there’s any way to find the value of the specific coupon in cases like the above?

This is a marked improvement from the old… not window dressing. Under the old system, if you’d paid $1000 MEL-SYD in business, but were downgraded to economy, they’d price the economy ticket at the full walk up fare… which could be like $800… or more. You might have been lucky to see $200 returned to you, or even less depending on the fare you paid vs the walk-up.

In the EU the ticket coupon calculation I don’t think includes taxes? Not sure how they apply it in Australia.

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The other issue not mentioned in the article is the carrier charges component of reward bookings with involuntary downgrades. On a recent instance my parents reward seats from MEL-SYD-SIN where downgraded from J>Y due to their flight being cancelled and rebooked on the next flight.

Getting the refund of points difference between J>Y was easy enough. But the hundreds of dollars in difference of carrier charges Qantas are refusing to budge and this is a continuing battle. Customer Care keep saying those charges are "non-refundable". Very frustrating and the reward downgrade process absolutely stinks in comparison with the revenue downgrade process.

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The other issue not mentioned in the article is the carrier charges component of reward bookings with involuntary downgrades. On a recent instance my parents reward seats from MEL-SYD-SIN where downgraded from J>Y due to their flight being cancelled and rebooked on the next flight.

Getting the refund of points difference between J>Y was easy enough. But the hundreds of dollars in difference of carrier charges Qantas are refusing to budge and this is a continuing battle. Customer Care keep saying those charges are "non-refundable". Very frustrating and the reward downgrade process absolutely stinks in comparison with the revenue downgrade process.

Was this for both flights, or one of them?

If for both, you’d be entitled to a refund under ACL. It just needs to be escalated to the right department (legal).

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Was this for both flights, or one of them?

If for both, you’d be entitled to a refund under ACL. It just needs to be escalated to the right department (legal).

Routing was changed to MEL-SIN direct in this instance. So the carrier charges + taxes on the actually flown sectors were significantly less. Will continue to chase it up and will provide an update when we get an outcome.

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Qantas approach to sudden downgrades with Classic Rewards flights is appalling. Granted, they do refund the points but no other compensation. Especially when this is sometimes at an hours notice, impacting baggage etc. I would think they need to refund a few EXTRA points as compensation.

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