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simongr

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Hi all
In the ever changing world that is my travel plans I am now thinking of changing my trip to Tokyo. I was planning to fly to Tokyo on 2 Dec and return to SYD ovenight on 8 Dec.

I have now realised that there probably isnt 5 days of work for me in Tokyo and that I could spend 2-3 days in HKG.

I am about to email the TA and request a quote for the change. One thing I am thinking is whether I can get a oneworld circle pacific ticket and whether that would be cheaper.

My current routing is:

2/12 QF21 SYD-NRT 22:05 333
8/12 QF 22 NRT-SYD 20:00 333

I am waitlisted for a ticket on QF22 as follows:
Service: Business Class / DRT
Status: ***W A I T L I S T E D***


But have a confirmed ticket on QF22 at I think a higher price:
Service: Business Class / JRT1
Status: Confirmed

My planned potential routing and availability would be:

2/12 QF21 SYD-NRT 22:05 333 (already confirmed in J)

6/12 CX550 NRT-HKG 18:30

F0 A0 J4 C0 D0 I0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9

8/12 QF128 HKG-SYD 20:25

F3 A0 Z0 P0 J0 C0 D0 I0 U0 Y3 B1 H0 K0 M0 R0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0 G0 T0 X0 E0

There doesnt seem to be a lot of availability at all in J (some F). I am going to ask for a quote for the F travel (need to be approved by my boss). One alternative might be:

CX 101
HKG 08/12/06 11:55 PM
SYD 09/12/06 12:05 PM
F4 A4 J0 C0 D0 I0 Y0 B0 H0 K0 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0

Does the circle pacific fare book into A - in which case I could maybe get an A class CP fare (yes I know I lose the F seat on two of the legs but thats life).

I couldnt find a circle pacific price from Oz anywhere obvious to me (it is 6AM here in Singapore).

Any help would be appreciated.

S
 

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that isnt a circle pacific (you need to visit US/Canada) but rather circle asia

I'm not sure how the OW version works, but the *A circle asia requires one and only one flight between Oz/NZ and north asia, north asia and southeast asia, southeast asia and Oz/NZ. You can have extra flights within each region as long as follow the rules (eg maximum total mileage).

As with RTW products, circle products book into discounted booking classes.
 

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Thanks - I am loathe to think this - but I might find myself somehow flying SYD-LAX-NRT to get an F fare - if the circle pacific was cheaper than a straight first flight from HKG-SYD. I guess if I was in F I would sleep a LOT.

Frack this will be a tough trip.
 

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As an aside can I add domestic trips to the circle pacific fare in the same way that I can add them to oneworld explorer?

S
 

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simongr said:
As an aside can I add domestic trips to the circle pacific fare in the same way that I can add them to oneworld explorer?

S
No. Itinerary stops when you return to point of origin.
 

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subject to mileage you could do something like HKG-AKL-MEL-BNE-SYD, make a stopover in AKL and combine with cheaper fares trans-tasman on separate ticket
 

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ASIAN DISCOVERY FARE, Base Price: AUD5813

Whoops ...

I was going to mention this D class fare but it does not allow travel via Japan!
 
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Just checking out the potential routings now. Amusing quote from the TA:

TA said:
Gee were you a travel agent in a past live as you have the wording down pat.
Guess I cant take credit for that ;)

Checked out my qpoints and I dont want to get too excited yet but if I did have to route via LAX to do a circle pacific (not even sure if that is possible at the moment or the price would be doable) it might put me 200miles over being EXP :shock:

Just checking the two most obvious flights SYD-LAX and LAX-NRT

SYD-LAX:
QF 11
SYD 02/12/06 03:20 PM
LAX 02/12/06 09:45 AM 744 LR
F9 A9 Z0 P0 J9 C0 D0

LAX-NRT
AA 169
LAX 02/12/06 11:40 AM
NRT 03/12/06 04:40 PM 777 LD
F2 A0 J0 D0 I0

Hmm - guess that means LAX-NRT is out (no A class which I assume is the circle pacific fare) unless I fly JAL:

JL 61
LAX 02/12/06 11:55 AM
NRT 03/12/06 04:40 PM 744
F0 C4 D4 I0 Y9 B9 X9 K9 S9 Q9 H9 M9 G9

Not sure what the C class fare is though :-|

I tried to get a trip from the ITA planner but not much is working well for me. is there another way to get to the US without going to LAX? Is there a direct oneworld flight to SFO maybe?
 

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JL isnt yet a OW member so you'll need AA flights.

I think SJC-NRT has been discontinued so that leaves LAX-NRT, DFW-NRT, ORD-NRT, JFK-NRT.
 

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Just checking but I dont think based on the aa site I dont think that JAL accrues qpoints?

Oops - thanks KF - I guess I was getting ahead of myself ;)
 
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simongr said:
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JL 61
LAX 02/12/06 11:55 AM
NRT 03/12/06 04:40 PM 744
F0 C4 D4 I0 Y9 B9 X9 K9 S9 Q9 H9 M9 G9

Not sure what the C class fare is though :-| ...
I guess it's moot but for many carriers C = J.
 

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Sorry to harass but does a codeshare accrue qpoints and are they available for a circle pacific fare?

I could get a flight to HNL:

QF 3
SYD 02/12/06 08:50 PM
HNL 02/12/06 09:10 AM 743
J8 C8 D7 I0


AA(JO) 5977
HNL 02/12/06 12:35 PM
NRT 03/12/06 04:35 PM 747
J7 D7 I7 Y7


Not sure though that the AA (JO) flight would be available. I know also that the SYD-HNL flight would be crap as its a 743.

S
 

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simongr said:
Sorry to harass but does a codeshare accrue qpoints and are they available for a circle pacific fare?
Codeshare does earn qpoints (using the AA code of course), but JL operated flight cannot be used on Circle Pacific fare until they become a full OneWorld member.

I have found AA has limited D availability on their NRT flights, especially Friday through Monday. They seem to prefer to offer the business class seats as upgrades rather than to people on paid D fares.

Alternately you want an Asian Discovery Fare, with the fare basis of DEE3MCT1 for A$5813+++. Vaid for QF, BA, CX, KA (Dragon Air). A surcharge of $150 applies to travel via Thailand, Mainland China, Bombay and Cambodia.
 

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NM said:
Alternately you want an Asian Discovery Fare, with the fare basis of DEE3MCT1 for A$5813+++. Vaid for QF, BA, CX, KA (Dragon Air). A surcharge of $150 applies to travel via Thailand, Mainland China, Bombay and Cambodia.
Thanks for that. Not overly concerned about qpoints as if I cant fly out of LAX/DFW/ORD and arrive in NRT on Sunday then I wont make EXP (will be short 10K qpoints).

Does the Asian Discovery fare have an F version? The reason for asking is that there is no J availability out of HKG to SYD.

I am thinking that its just going to be esaier to get an F ticket out of HKG on the friday on CX...
 

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NM said:
Alternately you want an Asian Discovery Fare, with the fare basis of DEE3MCT1 for A$5813+++. Vaid for QF, BA, CX, KA (Dragon Air). A surcharge of $150 applies to travel via Thailand, Mainland China, Bombay and Cambodia.
I posted this earlier but removed it when I relaised that it is not valid for Japan: http://www.frequentflyer.com.au/community/106367-7-post.html
DEE3MCT1 rules said:
FLIGHT APPLICATION

THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA KOREA REP OF/SOUTH/JAPAN/VIET NAM. ...
 

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Ahh, missed the Japan part. I noted the Korea and Vietnam. Does not really give to many options, then does it, especially if trying to avoid the $150 surcharges!
Yeah, 'tis more a circle sub-continent fare (avioding BOM) with HKG (and TPE perhaps) thrown in.

Note there is a 6 segment limitation (+2 in Oz for required transfers).
 

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Thanks as always guys. Over dinner this evening I resigned myself to a friday night flight out of SYD (to take advantge of lax-nrt flights) so any improvement on that will be a win :)

I have also warned mrs simongr about lack of simongr but I think that she was only half awake so not sure she realised ;)

Three months without a trip is going to be nice.
 
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