Heads up about program changes

[Ansett]

I think you're missing the point (pun intended, tongue in cheek) !

QF wants you to spend some MORE to travel in PE in that case, or even J.

The bean counters apparently thought by downgrading the benefits of discount Y, people would be 'herded' into more-profitable premium cabins.

Now, would you consider that ?

Or just content with CC earn, as yet unchanged ?

In their dreams most people that fly for work sadly are limited BFOD in economy and as such will NOT be able to change to Flexi or PE or J. Had they been able to fly in those classes then they would have been doing so already.

 

[JohnK]

That's basically what MASAs where (if you remember my post from a few days ago). The extra "tax" was paid so we could earn points and SC. Obviously the $$ amount was higher though.

Please tell me how you think the QFF points + taxes for Any Seat award BNE-MEL-PER-KTA return on double SCs 2 days in a row and earning 1,600 SCs + more QFF points was worth it for Qantas?

It clearly wasn't worth it for Qantas. Was it? I mean if Qantas was making a huge profit out of that deal then they are shooting themselves in the foot. But me thinks QF would do quite alright by removing that deal from their system. The only people crying will be those who will now miss that once in a lifetime opportunity.

Apologies for repeating myself. I guess I am the only who thinks my argument makes any sense.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Please tell me how you think the QFF points + taxes for Any Seat award BNE-MEL-PER-KTA return on double SCs 2 days in a row and earning 1,600 SCs + more QFF points was worth it for Qantas?

It clearly wasn't worth it for Qantas. Was it? I mean if Qantas was making a huge profit out of that deal then they are shooting themselves in the foot. But me thinks QF would do quite alright by removing that deal from their system. The only people crying will be those who will now miss that once in a lifetime opportunity.

Apologies for repeating myself. I guess I am the only who thinks my argument makes any sense.

No JohnK in the example you have given I don't believe that you are.

 

[medhead]

Seems Red Roo has got there on or before mixed up.

The FAQ on the website are pretty clear that 29 March is the cut off. Specifically booked and ticketed prior to 29 March or book on/after 29 March.

Taking the dates on the website the simple version is:

1) travel before 1 July = old earn
2) book before 29 March = old earn
3) book 29 March onwards and travel after 30 June = new earn.

Masa cannot be booked after 30 June.

YAY!!!

Red Roo has clarified the question that I, JessicaTam and others have been asking:



Red Roo's response: http://www.australianfrequentflyer....ne-had-success-call-51720-72.html#post1020726

Now we have certainty. Might be able to pull together enough points to book another prior to 30/6 JASA .

Thank you Red Roo. Love your work

So to clarify a final time:

Those mASAs booked before 29th March will earn at the current rate.
Those booked from (and including) 30th March to 30th June (for flights on/before 30 June) will earn at the current rate.
Those booked from (and including) 30th March to 30th June (for flights after July 1) will earn at the new rate.
NO booking availability after 1 July.

Get in before the ride is over

 

[medhead]

Please tell me how you think the QFF points + taxes for Any Seat award BNE-MEL-PER-KTA return on double SCs 2 days in a row and earning 1,600 SCs + more QFF points was worth it for Qantas?

It clearly wasn't worth it for Qantas. Was it? I mean if Qantas was making a huge profit out of that deal then they are shooting themselves in the foot. But me thinks QF would do quite alright by removing that deal from their system. The only people crying will be those who will now miss that once in a lifetime opportunity.

Apologies for repeating myself. I guess I am the only who thinks my argument makes any sense.

Why are you confusing a DSC promo with this? It is a completely separate promo. Qantas have the ability to prevent DSC on ASA. They released the DSC promo and it is their responsibility to make sure they're happy. The fact that they released the promo clearly says qantas thought it was worthwhile. There is no reason to double guess qantas' internal business processes.

 

[equus]

Likewise, the actual flights taken (turn around or not) are not the issue either. Yield management made the award class available, so they are happy for that flight to only return points and taxes. The only issue is the costs associated with the status (and returned FF points) - or some other costs.

IMHO the removal of MASA is probably not associated with the costs of the status per se, as any such incremental costs could be assessed, and the co-pay (which is already different from classic) adjusted accordingly. I think it more likely that the IT costs of making it available online are too high, and the call centre costs (time and training), not sustainable.

 

[JohnK]

Why are you confusing a DSC promo with this? It is a completely separate promo. Qantas have the ability to prevent DSC on ASA. They released the DSC promo and it is their responsibility to make sure they're happy. The fact that they released the promo clearly says qantas thought it was worthwhile. There is no reason to double guess qantas' internal business processes.

I am not confusing anything medhead. I am posting facts. There are others. I never bothered to read the spreadsheet or the thread to get more details.

And yes Qantas could have handled it differently. That I agree with. But they didn't. I just hate the posts of the people defending themselves by saying it was a huge money spinner for Qantas and it was wrong to remove it.

 

[Archphoto]

. . . . . Might even create a lower class of travel too.......container... a box in the back with some pillows, a blanket and an oxygen bottle for the less affluent members of society to make travel truely available to the unwashed masses

Isn't that already available . . . . . whY cabin?

 

[Archphoto]

Agreed 100%... take for example the humble coffee card (you know, the every 8th coffee is on us) type cards. There are way's to work those, for example a $3 small cappuccino earns 1 stamp, but so does a large $5 mocha. Sometimes they state what sort of coffee is the free-be, sometimes they don't... So it's possible to fill the card using nothing but $3 small caps, and then order the $5 large mocha as the free-be.

It's also possible to "do a coffee run for the office" and collect the stamps on your own card. (I earn loads of free coffees that way), and this is using a pretty simple rewards program of "your 8th coffee is on us"...

Basically if you have a rewards program, you expect there will be a few who will find the loopholes or the angles. The reality is however that the average user of said reward program is not going to be devious. They are going to diligently collect the stamp for every coffee they order, and when it comes to the free-be, they will order the same as they have always done.

HarveyK - we think alike; I too used to use my card for the client & staff coffee runs - those free ones went down well when I wasn't working and meeting up with friends.

 

[QF WP]

Seems Red Roo has got there on or before mixed up.

The FAQ on the website are pretty clear that 29 March is the cut off. Specifically booked and ticketed prior to 29 March or book on/after 29 March.

Taking the dates on the website the simple version is:

1) travel before 1 July = old earn
2) book before 29 March = old earn
3) book 29 March onwards and travel after 30 June = new earn.

Masa cannot be booked after 30 June.

Are you sure they got it mixed up? Whilst I haven't been back to the FAQ to review the 3rd iteration of the "first changeover date", seems that Red Roo agreed with my version according to their reply here: http://www.australianfrequentflyer....ne-had-success-call-51720-72.html#post1020857

Does kevrosmiths' chart give clarity??
http://www.australianfrequentflyer....ne-had-success-call-51720-72.html#post1020868

 

[amaroo]

No JohnK in the example you have given I don't believe that you are.

+1

.........

 

[asg29e]

Please tell me how you think the QFF points + taxes for Any Seat award BNE-MEL-PER-KTA return on double SCs 2 days in a row and earning 1,600 SCs + more QFF points was worth it for Qantas?

It clearly wasn't worth it for Qantas. Was it? I mean if Qantas was making a huge profit out of that deal then they are shooting themselves in the foot. But me thinks QF would do quite alright by removing that deal from their system. The only people crying will be those who will now miss that once in a lifetime opportunity.

Apologies for repeating myself. I guess I am the only who thinks my argument makes any sense.

I doubt that QF would have turned a profit on the example you have quoted. Their fault for allowing DSCs on JASAs, (or indeed DSCs at all).

I would like to ask you how much you think status is worth. As in cash, if you could just buy it. Or do you not think it should be available that way at all? Well, as Ketsuzei has pointed out in another post, someone has finally put a cash value on status.

https://www.lifemiles.com/eng/tra/pro/proofenot.aspx?D=NTI4

OK, it is for Star Alliance rather than QF, but it sets a ballpark figure.

Looking at the JASAs I have done over the last couple of years a quick adding up puts my incremental cost over and above what I would have paid for classic awards at very slightly under those figures, but if you factor in the other paid flights I have done with QF (because of "loyalty") where a cheaper alternative existed then my incremantal status chasing "wastage" would be considerably higher.

You may be right, John K, this may be good for QF but I think there is little doubt they are going to lose a lot of regular customers over this.

 

[SeatBackForward]

Please tell me how you think the QFF points + taxes for Any Seat award BNE-MEL-PER-KTA return on double SCs 2 days in a row and earning 1,600 SCs + more QFF points was worth it for Qantas?

The points used to pay for those seats earned more for QF than cash equivalent for those seats would of. Any further "cost" to QF of an extra WP passenger is only realised if and when they fly again, which in turn earns more $ for QF.

 

[medhead]

I am not confusing anything medhead. I am posting facts. There are others. I never bothered to read the spreadsheet or the thread to get more details.

And yes Qantas could have handled it differently. That I agree with. But they didn't. I just hate the posts of the people defending themselves by saying it was a huge money spinner for Qantas and it was wrong to remove it.

You're actually posting your opinion about a particular event. There is no dispute about whether such flights might have been taken. The issue is the meaning of that wrt costs etc.

 

[medhead]

Are you sure they got it mixed up? Whilst I haven't been back to the FAQ to review the 3rd iteration of the "first changeover date", seems that Red Roo agreed with my version according to their reply here: http://www.australianfrequentflyer....ne-had-success-call-51720-72.html#post1020857

Does kevrosmiths' chart give clarity??
http://www.australianfrequentflyer....ne-had-success-call-51720-72.html#post1020868

I checked the FAQ before posting. As I said the information is different. I'm not sure about the other post you mention. Just it doesn't match the FAQ.

I'm not sure I need a chart for clarity. I've felt I understand this for at least 4 days, notwithstanding the various iterations of dates.

 

[blackcat20]

If not too far is truly that - don't QF still SELL points? Or am I confusing them with airlines in the USA :mrgreen:

Happy wandering

Fred

There is a limit though, and I need a little more than that.

There's always family transfers (and boyfriends count don't they )

They do...but not so helpful when they usually fly VA/NZ

 

[TonyHancock]

Taking the dates on the website the simple version is:

1) travel before 1 July = old earn
2) book before 29 March = old earn
3) book 29 March onwards and travel after 30 June = new earn.

Masa cannot be booked after 30 June.

How is this simple? I cannot be expected to trawl through four concise points to extract information. I expect a very long table with several footnotes. Pfft

 

[JohnK]

I doubt that QF would have turned a profit on the example you have quoted. Their fault for allowing DSCs on JASAs, (or indeed DSCs at all).

I would like to ask you how much you think status is worth. As in cash, if you could just buy it. Or do you not think it should be available that way at all? Well, as Ketsuzei has pointed out in another post, someone has finally put a cash value on status.

The value I place on status is not the same everyone else. I cheat anyway because I take extra flights when I go overseas and it is difficult to put a value on it.

You may be right, John K, this may be good for QF but I think there is little doubt they are going to lose a lot of regular customers over this.

Any enhancement is going to cost customers.

I am not convinced losing customers whose main motivation was to derive status from points is going to be bad for Qantas. So now these people will all run off to BAEC, AA or *Alliance. If they stay in Oneworld and still fly with Qantas then I think Qantas will still be making money from them. I think Qantas will survive. I hope Qantas survives.

And yes I am selfish. I have Lifetime Gold already. I have ~1,200, 000 QFF points. But if my only choice for domestic flying was Virgin and Jetstar I would be extremely depressed and would considerably reduce domestic flying.

 

[GoldenWinger]

If anyone wants to use the "points+pay" as maybe a type of replacement to the MASA (obviously heaps and heaps more points) it works out to approx $1 = 123 points. That's how I calculated it... Maybe people can use this if there is a cheap sale fare ?

 

[Princess Fiona]

I am not convinced losing customers whose main motivation was to derive status from points is going to be bad for Qantas. So now these people will all run off to BAEC, AA or *Alliance.
.

Actually if deriving status from points remains their motivation there is nowhere to run and QF know this