Will you vaccinate with Conoravirus vaccine when one is available?

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According to reports, coronavirus vaccine is entering its final phase of testing and very soon we will have millions of coronavirus vaccine to be rolled out, hopefully from September.

By then, should a coronavirus vaccine is available, will you vaccinate it?

Personally speaking, as a 30 year old young person, I will not vaccinate myself with Coronavirus, because:

1. It is just a small flu for young people, we won't die;
2. The vaccine is rushed and I cannot guarantee if I vaccinate myself, I will be immune to Coronavirus and not get killed by the vaccine;
3. The coronavirus vaccine is just a step to reopen our borders so that we can travel overseas again.

I am not anti-vaxier, however I only think that Coronavirus vaccine is just a political ticket for politicians to explain to the public that they can now open the international borders again and ease off travel bubbles.

What do you think?
 
My answer was an emphatic yes until recent events, which now make me unsure.
I understand the problems of AstraZeneca weren't foreseeable, but we went almost all in on the cheapest solution. In January, my BMI was 41, and I would have been eligible under 1b, which would mean Pfizer. Now with a BMI of 35, I no longer qualify.
I turn 50 in September, and I guess I'll get AZ then, knowing there is an incredibly minute chance it will kill me, which is a bit discouraging.
All of this has encouraged me to apply for Serbian citizenship (descent) as they haven't scrimped on their vaccination program and allow a choice of vaccines (note if you choose Moderna, you'll be waiting until October at least.) But with at least a 5-month wait for citizenship processing and uncertainty, if getting a safe vaccine is a valid reason to leave Australia, that is looking a long shot.
Pennywise pound foolish has been a constant bugbear in my life, but maybe I'm wrong as most prominent businesses and the government operate this way.
Let me say, flying half way round the world, to get a shot is crazy. An accident on the way, radiation exposure on the plane, normal non vaccine blood clots for sitting too long in the plane. Worse than crossing the Latte line in Sydney.

Other valid medical conditions here:

If you are not sure, see your doctor. When did you last have a cardio challenge test to see if you have any artery narrowings or blockages/ heart issues? Wealthy people with country retreats have them every two or so years to rule out dropping dead, unplanned. And sometimes a CAT scan calcium score. Sorry they are expensive and may not be covered on medicare.
In your weight range, dropping dead because of an unplanned hat attack is statistically much more significant compared with teeny weeny AZ risk. Dropping 6 BMI points certainly improved your overall life expectancy. For Australian males, age 88 for those alive now, is what the life tables show. Add a tad for Melbournians and non-smokers.

By Jab date, they will have probably added those who had a strong reaction to AZ, may be able to have an mRNA booster - aka mix n match. Strong means probably more than 3 days. Some report on a Friday, they feel iffy on the weekend, and OK by Monday. But some Pfizer shots also
flatten you.

If you are not a sickly person, had lots of ordinary flu jabs - no problems, had no allergies in the past, one expects lower risk. They have still not reported what these people have in common.
The rarest and most common blood types by ethnicity. My gut feeling is being B positive - you have a lower risk.

Most AZ reactions are in females. rather than say 55 for F and 50 for M, they made it one age.
Again ridiculous arbitrary fixed cutoff points. These may change as more becomes known.
Your risk appear lower for being M. Are you near a decent hospital - in the city - if so don't worry, as people now know what to look out for.

CSL has been very, very quiet why it has not released millions of locally made doses, to the point of being shamefully secretive. I would not be surprised, going forward, that the risk factor has been reduced.

I will tell you what educated boomers (50's and over 60's) are doing in Canberra. They are panicking, rushing to get themselves jabbed with AZ - 3 4 week wait. We know that if there is a uncontrolled outbreak of a variant, there wont be time to get jabbed in that time. They know if they catch long covid their long term health and ability to enjoy retirement may/will be ruined. And apart from NSW, they expect other state govts will mismanage the next outbreak, that will be a more catchy variant. And they expect this North Korean/East German communist peoples whatever international lockdown BS to get legally smashed. Getting AZ now, is a no-brainer.
 
I turn 50 in September

Not sure what state you are in, but if in NSW I recommend registering for the 40-49 standby list at Olympic Park, with any luck you can get both Pfizer shots before you turn 50. If in anotehr state keep an eye out for similar program and register early.

You are not alone in considering overseas travel for a mrna vaccine, I know several people who hold kiwi passports who intend to fly to NZ (no more risky than flying interstate) to get a Pfizer shot once their age group opens up there.

may be able to have an mRNA booster

The only boosters that will be offered are MRNA or Novovax, AZ/J&J are not suitable vaccine types for boosters. Once everyone who is willing to have AZ has had their first two doses there little reason for CSL to continue to make AZ (except to supply overseas, and why they need to be ready to make Moderna or Novovax next year, as once people need a booster they need something other than AZ.
 
Not sure what state you are in, but if in NSW I recommend registering for the 40-49 standby list at Olympic Park, with any luck you can get both Pfizer shots before you turn 50. If in anotehr state keep an eye out for similar program and register early.

You are not alone in considering overseas travel for a mrna vaccine, I know several people who hold kiwi passports who intend to fly to NZ (no more risky than flying interstate) to get a Pfizer shot once their age group opens up there.



The only boosters that will be offered are MRNA or Novovax, AZ/J&J are not suitable vaccine types for boosters. Once everyone who is willing to have AZ has had their first two doses there little reason for CSL to continue to make AZ (except to supply overseas, and why they need to be ready to make Moderna or Novovax next year, as once people need a booster they need something other than AZ.
Exactly correct. However in the US, the last step for mRNA is usually done at another facility, a whopping big clean room, fantastic air + water filtration, lots of expensive chromowhatever separation, and staff who know clean room procedures. It is a huge ask for anyone to retask a building built correctly, without sloppy construction and kit it out quickly.
 
Once everyone who is willing to have AZ has had their first two doses there little reason for CSL to continue to make AZ (except to supply overseas
They have agreed to make 50(?) million doses and would expect the government to honour the contract and pay them to do so. If the government wants them to switch vaccines before then they'd need to come to mutually acceptable terms to do so.
 
They may make 50 million doses and get paid for them, but not all of those 50 million doses will go into Aussie arms.

Our government has over ordered across multiple providers, to ensure supply but went hard and very high with CSL for AZ and now that there are issues with the vaccine for younger people, the unused doses will probably be donated to pacific island neighbours or covax.

I never said the contract wouldn't be honored just that its pointless to continue to make AZ for the Aussie market beyond this year, as there wont be a local market for AZ next year as it is not suitable for a booster and the majority of the population are aged under 50 so wont be given AZ as a rule.
 
Not sure what state you are in, but if in NSW I recommend registering for the 40-49 standby list at Olympic Park, with any luck you can get both Pfizer shots before you turn 50. If in anotehr state keep an eye out for similar program and register early.

You are not alone in considering overseas travel for a mrna vaccine, I know several people who hold kiwi passports who intend to fly to NZ (no more risky than flying interstate) to get a Pfizer shot once their age group opens up there.



The only boosters that will be offered are MRNA or Novovax, AZ/J&J are not suitable vaccine types for boosters. Once everyone who is willing to have AZ has had their first two doses there little reason for CSL to continue to make AZ (except to supply overseas, and why they need to be ready to make Moderna or Novovax next year, as once people need a booster they need something other than AZ.
Rubbish.AZ has been working on a vaccine for the South African variant for a while.

It doesn't look like they will need one with the Indian variant.

A study 3,235 vaccinated healthcare workers in India given the AstraZeneca found that only 85 reported symptoms of Covid and just two required hospital treatment.
The study by the Indraprastha Apollo Hospital in Delhi there had been no deaths or admissions to intensive care of those who have been vaccinated,
Dr Anupam Sibal, group medical director, said: “Our study demonstrated that 97.38 per cent of those vaccinated were protected from an infection and hospitalisation rate was only 0.06 per cent.

There has been a study reporting that the AZ vaccine is only 10% effective at stopping the South African variant.But this was an estimate on studying the antibody levels produced by the AZ vaccine.The AZ vaccine Phase 3 trials in SA showed a 50% rate if HIV positive and 60% if HIV negative.These were much larger trials as well.
 
Rubbish.AZ has been working on a vaccine for the South African variant for a while.

That is a new version of the vaccine for those who havent already been vaccinated, not a booster for those who have.

There has been lots of discussion as to why AZ (and J&J) are not good candidates for long term use it relates to “vector immunity” and fact you become immune to delivery mechanism over time.

This is the reason for interest in Novovax for longer term and why we have ordered Moderna boosters.
 
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The interest in Novavax originally was because it was another novel technology so we ordered the Pfizer and Novavax.Then older technologies were ordered in case the new technologies fell over hence Oxford and UQ added as it was being developed in Australia.
There was no point ordering Moderna and Pfizer with basically the same technology.We have now ordered the Moderna because of the failure of Pfizer to deliver the contracted number of doses plus the problem of clots with Oxford.I doubt vector immunity was a major factor in ordering Moderna.

Vector immunity is a major problem in delivering gene therapy using a viral vector.It is not the end of the world in vaccines.It has been shown that with flu vaccines using a viral vector you can overcome it by changing the mode of delivery or increasing the dose.
As well those who develop antibodies to the viral vectors do not always have a reduced response to the vaccine.
And on top of that the viral vector in the Oxford vaccine has been genetically altered to reduce the unlikely event of an infection.

I agree there has been a lot of discussion about vector immunity but littered with words such as maybe,possible or suspected.But it is another thing that you can trot out in your relentless campaign against the Oxford vaccine.
 
Well it it has been around 11 months since my post #26 and today put my money where my mouth is and got the first jab. The Dr even put the sticker and details in my ICV rather than on some vaccine card that had been already prepared.
 
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In news today, the GP Dr's in Canberra have sufficient supplies, and from walk-in to 3 days for AZ. Not sure about Calvary(was 3weeks-month+), as the phone line is still a 2 hour wait. I get mine this Sat from a GP setup.
An unvaccinated lady for Turkey, who said AZ is what they give there, and no bad reactions to AZ in her experience - because they are mostly O blood types, lower in A's.
Greg Hunt said all states and territories are doing an EXCELLENT job, vaccine wise. I would choose another adjective. Never mind NT is at the bottom of the barrel and now open to all ages - did I hear that right? Does this mean vaccine snobs can 4WD to Alice to get Pfizer right now? I also hear the turnout is depressingly low, and high wastage rates. Israel and the US had a good idea - give a free beer/drink. There is even alcohol free beer. TG NSW has the right idea - waitlists in action - Build it, and they will come.

Hold this thought. Say NSW is first to get to 70% vaccinated OR when they opportunity to do so, was declined and documented. A phone SMS campaign. Then they do the vaccine passport thing, with the condition that you MUST quarantine in NSW using an advance plan with phone app tracking. It then follows that OS travel to green countries is allowed if you have a return home quarantine plan that means you must stay in NSW (7-21 days). Imagine all the jobs and juicy GST they can swipe off other states for being first cab off the rank.

Lets say Bowral , Rose Bay or St Leonards gets 90% vaccinated, beating everyone else. Then say QF can sell OS tickets to those residents , as long as they say they will stay in their respective hamlets on return, sticking to the plan. This will probably how Intnl travel SHOULD be restarted .in .au.

The one thing we DO know is Intnl pilots need more than 3 days quarantine, if I follow the news in Sth Korea correctly. I do not understand why all pilots would not be vaccinated.
 
Thanks for everyone that reacted and commented on my previous post. Australia dropped the ball on vaccines and we over 50s are left with an unsafe choice. Under 50s can wait for the government to import enough Pfizer or Modern. BTW my understanding is Pfizer is delivering to everyone on-time. Australia didn't order enough, it isn't Pfizer's fault.
I won't get Astrazeneca and if that means leaving Australia permanently to go to a country that prioritises vaccines like Serbia or Israel so be it.
I understand that €1.73 is a lot less than €10 but I would happily put my hand in my pocket to have the choice of a safe vaccine.
I'm lucky to be able to make these choices a lot of countries are too poor or have messed this up.
 
That is a new version of the vaccine for those who havent already been vaccinated, not a booster for those who have.

There has been lots of discussion as to why AZ (and J&J) are not good candidates for long term use it relates to “vector immunity” and fact you become immune to delivery mechanism over time.

This is the reason for interest in Novovax for longer term and why we have ordered Moderna boosters.
If you want to make a strong rebuttal, use this article:
COVID cases are surging in the world's most vaccinated country. How can this be happening? and

Now the issue is
But there is one stumbling block. In Bolton, the areas with the highest infections over the last week map very closely to areas with the lowest vaccination rates.
The NHS is now sending out a mobile vaccine bus into those parts of the town and it's thought door-to-door jabs are also being considered.

What's more, the Indian variant B.1.617 has been estimated to be at least 50 per cent more contagious than B.1.1.7, which could take the R0 to over 7, and takes us into uncharted territory.

This could explain the catastrophic situation in India, but also raises the stakes for vaccination, as lower efficacy vaccines will not be able to contain such highly transmissible variants effectively.

Herd immunity is still possible, but depends on the efficacy of the vaccine used and the proportion of people vaccinated.

My bad - this looks like AZ is plenty good ... but is Australia does not get a move on in correcting the 30% of vacant minded fence sitters, increased R0 could be toxic to QF and Virgin.

Hungary’s PM chief of staff Gergely Gulyás on efficacy study of different vaccines used in #Hungary: “Sinopharm is better than Pfizer while #SputnikV is the best.” Hungary, the 1st EU country to start using Sputnik V, reopens terraces from April 24. Gulyás: „A Sinopharm jobb, mint a Pfizer, és a Szputnyik a legjobb” | szmo.hu

The takehome is Australia will probably have to accept WHO vaccine findings. WHO would or should ask why Seychelles is having issues (too bad there is no breakdown), while Canada is increasing the Pfizer jab intervals - gone it alone?

Also if the UK resorts to on the busses, Australia better accept active rollouts WILL be needed.
 
Thanks for everyone that reacted and commented on my previous post. Australia dropped the ball on vaccines and we over 50s are left with an unsafe choice. Under 50s can wait for the government to import enough Pfizer or Modern. BTW my understanding is Pfizer is delivering to everyone on-time. Australia didn't order enough, it isn't Pfizer's fault.
I won't get Astrazeneca and if that means leaving Australia permanently to go to a country that prioritises vaccines like Serbia or Israel so be it.
I understand that €1.73 is a lot less than €10 but I would happily put my hand in my pocket to have the choice of a safe vaccine.
I'm lucky to be able to make these choices a lot of countries are too poor or have messed this up.
Stating the Astra Zeneca vaccine is unsafe is pure recklessness on your behalf. The fact you believe hyperbole over science is embarrassing.


Serbia is not a great model. Now offering cash for jabs I believe. And hesitation so high that they threw open the doors to anyone from neighbouring countries to be vaccinated so doses wouldn't go to waste. (Good policy but with less than 30% of the population vaccinated - seriously concerning)
 
And Pfizer certainly hasn't been delivering on time to everyone.The contract Australia signed with Pfizer called for a million doses a month from February.In April they were delivering at 140000 doses a week.A bit of 60% of the contracted amount.
By the end of March we received 870000 doses out of 2 million Pfizer doses and 700000 doses imported of AZ vaccinine out of 3.8 million in the contract,
By the end of March CSL had manufactured 3.3 million doses of AZ but most were awaiting TGA approval for distribution.

By the end of last week there had been 351000 doses of Pfizer vaccine delivered each week for 2 weeks so they are catching up.Also 2 weeks of 1 million doses of AZ each week for the 2 weeks.Which is why vaccination numbers are increasing.

However with the clots issue for AZ many will not take it.For example QLD will not use the AZ vaccine in their vaccination hubs.
 
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The interest in Novavax originally was because it was another novel technology so we ordered the Pfizer and Novavax.Then older technologies were ordered in case the new technologies fell over hence Oxford and UQ added as it was being developed in Australia.
There was no point ordering Moderna and Pfizer with basically the same technology.We have now ordered the Moderna because of the failure of Pfizer to deliver the contracted number of doses plus the problem of clots with Oxford.I doubt vector immunity was a major factor in ordering Moderna.

Vector immunity is a major problem in delivering gene therapy using a viral vector.It is not the end of the world in vaccines.It has been shown that with flu vaccines using a viral vector you can overcome it by changing the mode of delivery or increasing the dose.
As well those who develop antibodies to the viral vectors do not always have a reduced response to the vaccine.
And on top of that the viral vector in the Oxford vaccine has been genetically altered to reduce the unlikely event of an infection.

I agree there has been a lot of discussion about vector immunity but littered with words such as maybe,possible or suspected.But it is another thing that you can trot out in your relentless campaign against the Oxford vaccine.


Not to mention that the initial agreement for 40 million Novavax doses (which was trialled in both Melbourne and Brisbane) was announced way back on 4th Nov 2020.


And the Australian Government's release on it:



Prime Minister Scott Morrison said the Government’s COVID-19 Vaccine and Treatment Strategy had now secured access to four COVID-19 vaccines and over 134 million doses.
“By securing multiple COVID-19 vaccines we are giving Australians the best shot at early access to a vaccine, should trials prove successful,” the Prime Minister said.
“We aren’t putting all our eggs in one basket and we will continue to pursue further vaccines should our medical experts recommend them.
“There are no guarantees that these vaccines will prove successful, however our Strategy puts Australia at the front of the queue, if our medical experts give the vaccines the green light.”
The Novavax and Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines are expected to be available in Australia from early to mid 2021 – subject to approval by the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) for use in Australia.
The Pfizer/BioNTech is a messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA) type vaccine and the Novavax vaccine is a protein vaccine containing an adjuvant (Matrix-M) which enhances the immune response.
Health Minister Greg Hunt said Australia’s COVID-19 vaccine portfolio now had two protein vaccines and one mRNA and one viral vector type vaccine, strengthening Australia’s position to access safe and effective vaccines as soon as available.


After the university of Queensland Candidate was withdrawn this was upped to 51 million announced on 7 Jan 2021.

 
However with the clots issue for AZ many will not take it. For example QLD will not use the AZ vaccine in their vaccination hubs.

Though as the article says they are pumping it out via the GP's, and it is a lot easier to get scale through GP's.
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The Seychelles are using some AZ and mainly Sinophan (the WHO may have approved it, but WHO has a very low bar of 50% efficacy) and the real world results from Brazil and now Seychelles show its not very good at stopping spread. I cant see any aussies begging the government to sign up for the Chinese vaccines. There does seem to be interesting data on Sputnik but i also dont think we need to go chasing it.

Whilst Feds ordered Novovax early, the commentary from the beginning has always been it would likely come into play in 2022 as a booster / replacement for the earlier vaccines. There were quite a few articles last year about Novovax playing a bigger riole in second year if it proved safe and effective enough.

The vaccine that is mostly likley to be bumped out of use next year in Australia is AZ due to its clotting issue and the fact it (and J&J) are the least suitable of the types of vaccine for long term. Moderna and Novovax (provided it gets full approval) will fill the gap here along with more Pfizer if we can get it.

The feds only finally got serious about moderna when they realized the stench is never coming off AZ and they know that if they try to force AZ onto the 70% of the population who are aged under 50 (majority of voters) then hesitancy and push back will only increase.
 
Thank god I dont eat chicken.
Time will tell and we will see who is right. we all know chickens have no teeth. GL

This is factually incorrect, and needs to be called out, because this comment puts lives at risk.

Cancer does not cause the collapse of hospitals in Italy / US / UK / Brazil / India / etc.
Flu does not cause the collapse of hospitals in Italy / US / UK / Brazil / India / etc.
Gastro does not cause the collapse of hospitals in Italy / US / UK / Brazil / India / etc.

COVID-19 does.

On top of the death rate, people who recover from COVID-19 suffer from life changing symptoms.

"Long Covid: snapshot poll finds more than 1m people with symptoms in UK" (Guardian 02 April 2021)

"Onions, coffee, meat, fruit, alcohol, toothpaste, cleaning products and perfume all make her want to vomit. Tap water has the same effect (though not filtered water), which makes washing difficult." (BBC 28 January 2021).

Do you want to vomit everytime when you turn on the water tap? Is this the quality of life you want? Think about this.
 
The Seychelles are using some AZ and mainly Sinophan (the WHO may have approved it, but WHO has a very low bar of 50% efficacy) and the real world results from Brazil and now Seychelles show its not very good at stopping spread. I cant see any aussies begging the government to sign up for the Chinese vaccines. There does seem to be interesting data on Sputnik but i also dont think we need to go chasing it.

Whilst Feds ordered Novovax early, the commentary from the beginning has always been it would likely come into play in 2022 as a booster / replacement for the earlier vaccines. There were quite a few articles last year about Novovax playing a bigger riole in second year if it proved safe and effective enough.

The vaccine that is mostly likley to be bumped out of use next year in Australia is AZ due to its clotting issue and the fact it (and J&J) are the least suitable of the types of vaccine for long term. Moderna and Novovax (provided it gets full approval) will fill the gap here along with more Pfizer if we can get it.

The feds only finally got serious about moderna when they realized the stench is never coming off AZ and they know that if they try to force AZ onto the 70% of the population who are aged under 50 (majority of voters) then hesitancy and push back will only increase.
We can only hope the push back is strong
 
Stating the Astra Zeneca vaccine is unsafe is pure recklessness on your behalf. The fact you believe hyperbole over science is embarrassing.


Serbia is not a great model. Now offering cash for jabs I believe. And hesitation so high that they threw open the doors to anyone from neighbouring countries to be vaccinated so doses wouldn't go to waste. (Good policy but with less than 30% of the population vaccinated - seriously concerning)
A lot of countries are having to offer incentives to get the jab. Being tired of being imprisoned in the DPRA (Democratic Peoples Republic of Australia) under the dear leader Scottie was mine. My anxiety was probably the driver of my previous posts; I was genuinely concerned and feeling trapped.
I got my first jab of Pfizer 2 weeks ago and hope to get my 2nd in under 2 weeks. I'm suspecting that the Serbian article I read with the subtext enough of this democracy stuff, make vaccinations mandatory may be necessary to get vaccination rates to a high enough level.
 
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