Will you vaccinate with Conoravirus vaccine when one is available?

[CityRail]

According to reports, coronavirus vaccine is entering its final phase of testing and very soon we will have millions of coronavirus vaccine to be rolled out, hopefully from September.

By then, should a coronavirus vaccine is available, will you vaccinate it?

Personally speaking, as a 30 year old young person, I will not vaccinate myself with Coronavirus, because:

1. It is just a small flu for young people, we won't die;
2. The vaccine is rushed and I cannot guarantee if I vaccinate myself, I will be immune to Coronavirus and not get killed by the vaccine;
3. The coronavirus vaccine is just a step to reopen our borders so that we can travel overseas again.

I am not anti-vaxier, however I only think that Coronavirus vaccine is just a political ticket for politicians to explain to the public that they can now open the international borders again and ease off travel bubbles.

What do you think?

 

[oznflfan]

I didn’t say forever, just not early in 2022 for anything like casual travel. On top of everything else imagine the political maneuvering that will be required when Australia and a very small number of other nations are watching their infections and deaths rise while the rest of the world is seeing huge improvements.

“We’d like to let you all come and go, but sorry, we’re just not vaccinated enough yet. Maybe in another three months?”

Rinse and repeat.

And cautious of exactly that.

We go from effectively ZERO COVID say early 2022, then 10 cases per days a month later, even when we have medically advised vaccination level (assuming realistic - you'll never get above 70% vaccinated). Its gonna happen. Flu vaccine doesn't stop all flu.

Imagine Scomo allowing planes in, then McGowan exerting his might post immigration stopping a planeload of Singapore Airlines or Cathay Pacific guests into forced quarantine. McGowan then threatens to do same for all planes landing to 'keep Western Australians safe'. Perth will be blacklisted by airlines for years to come. God knows what Scomo would do, but he would look like his head will explode I'm sure.

We need to have faith in vaccine doing its job, and yes, you will get COVID once you open borders. Only other option is to keep borders sealed until 2030.

 

[drron]

Some more on the allergic reactions to the new vaccines.

ACAAI updates guidance related to risk of allergic reactions with mRNA COVID-19 vaccines

The American College of Allergy, Asthma, and Immunology (ACAAI) has issued guidance for physicians and other providers related to the risk of an allergic reaction following vaccination with an mRNA-based coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccine.ACAAI’s recommendations are in line with...

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[MEL_Traveller]

Also reported that some people with cosmetic injections - fillers - have experienced allergic reactions. These were quickly resolved with meds to control the reaction.

 

[drron]

BBC article on the Oxford vaccine is interesting.

Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine: Bogus reports, accidental finds - the story of the jab

The BBC's medical editor Fergus Walsh has been following the Oxford vaccine for the past year.

www.bbc.com

 

[drron]

More guidance from the CDC on mRNA vaccines.First saying that those with immune deficiencies should take care because of limited safety data.
And something that doesn't bode well for those expecting to travel internationally soon after completing vaccination.
"Until experts learn more about the protection that COVID-19 vaccines provide under real-life conditions, people who decide to get vaccinated should continue to follow all current guidance to protect themselves against COVID-19 after they are vaccinated."

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Moscow expanding the numbers eligible to be vaccinated.

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And India trying to get emergency authorisation for the Oxford vaccine.

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[RooFlyer]

As an aside, is there any info, official or otherwise, that when you actually got a vaccine shot together with "proof", can you actually travel without having to go into 14 days hotel quarantine?

No you can’t, and won’t be able to for some time.

You can get proof of a vaccination. It’s an “International certificate of vaccination”. Its filled out, signed, stamped and dated for each shot by the vaccinating clinic. Amongst all my other vaccinations, it carries my Yellow Fever Certificate which stops me getting a mandatory shot on arrival in some countries. Mine's been going since 1994.

You can also get your doctor to produce a certificate of vaccinations ( just a print out that they sign and stamp). The latter was accepted in the USA on my most recent trip.

None of the above goes to acceptance of a particular COVID vaccine and entry back into Australia.

 

[prozac]

You can get proof of a vaccination. It’s an “International certificate of vaccination”. Its filled out, signed, stamped and dated for each shot by the vaccinating clinic. Amongst all my other vaccinations, it carries my Yellow Fever Certificate which stops me getting a mandatory shot on arrival in some countries. Mine's been going since 1994.
...

I'm one of those who can still remember carrying the Yellow Certificate of Vaccinations.
Today I can only imagine the ends people will go to in order to obtain fake certificates, so I wonder what will be done to safeguard the certification is genuine.

 

[RooFlyer]

I'm one of those who can still remember carrying the Yellow Certificate of Vaccinations.
Today I can only imagine the ends people will go to in order to obtain fake certificates, so I wonder what will be done to safeguard the certification is genuine.

Yeah, good point. You would hope that the WHO is on top of this, with maybe a more secure certificate thing ( including photo ID). and if vaccinated in Australia, there could be a government register that could be consulted ( My Health Record” anyone? )

But I’m sure the fakes will come out.

 

[ethernet]

The Australian vaccination priority should be Airport Arrival first contact processors and handlers, including drivers and people scrubbing hotel rooms. And vaccinations should have started yesterday, as another 'escape' event makes being cheap plain moronic. Northern Beaches was a 3 Billon dollar or so economic hit - but the committees are fluffing about.

AstraZeneca claims new data shows its vaccine is just as powerful as those already on the market; note the word substitution for the PR release- effective is what we are after. I also picked up the 'one month between shots' bit Vs less time with the mRNA ones. Plus not releasing data on older age groups is an important 'tell'. Therefore if you can afford to loose a month or so, my feeling is that there is negligible differences for the not-aged groups who dont need urgency either.

In other interesting news, German vaccinations prevented when the temperature loggers revealed supply chain issues. So the question is - who pays for batches where temperature requirements were breached?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Yeah, good point. You would hope that the WHO is on top of this, with maybe a more secure certificate thing ( including photo ID). and if vaccinated in Australia, there could be a government register that could be consulted ( My Health Record” anyone? )

But I’m sure the fakes will come out.

Given the key thing seems to be a reduction in severity once you are vaccinated, perhaps the 'fakes' won't be so much of an issue?

 

[lovetravellingoz]

I'm one of those who can still remember carrying the Yellow Certificate of Vaccinations.
Today I can only imagine the ends people will go to in order to obtain fake certificates, so I wonder what will be done to safeguard the certification is genuine.

When I was last in Africa fake Yellow Fever documentation abounded.

One of the guides that we were quite friendly with indicated that they were an anti-vaxxer and given some of the land borders we crossed they checked for this the guide admitted to us that they had one when I asked how they were able to cross.

 

[prozac]

I think they will need to issue a travel certificate card or document with multi-layer hologram security to protect against document fraud.

 

[Pushka]

You can get proof of a vaccination. It’s an “International certificate of vaccination”. Its filled out, signed, stamped and dated for each shot by the vaccinating clinic. Amongst all my other vaccinations, it carries my Yellow Fever Certificate which stops me getting a mandatory shot on arrival in some countries. Mine's been going since 1994.

You can also get your doctor to produce a certificate of vaccinations ( just a print out that they sign and stamp). The latter was accepted in the USA on my most recent trip.

None of the above goes to acceptance of a particular COVID vaccine and entry back into Australia.

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We had to get proof of flu vaccine to enter a Nursing Home. Provided by the pharmacist who gave us the shot and on official Australian papers.

 

[Oneworldplus2]

Today I can only imagine the ends people will go to in order to obtain fake certificates

Yep, this is going to be huge. Anti-vaxxers wet dream about to start.

Bill Gates, 5G + Facebook - watch out.....

 

[drron]

I still have my original faded yellow vaccination card which as well as yellow fever has my record of smallpox vaccination and BCG vaccination.Doesn't have my original polio vaccination details though.

 

[RooFlyer]

Topical air art.

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[PineappleSkip]

Yellow Fever Certificate which stops me getting a mandatory shot on arrival in some countries.

Blind Freddy could fake a yellow book certification, but that certificate, real or fake, stops you being denied entry to a few countries. Of course the yellow book, last updated 15 years ago, is a relic of the days when a surname and a six character code was regarded as sufficient security to access a flight booking.

Because of the endless fakery, Africa has been a pioneer of e-Yellowbooks. A Nigerian version is now mandatory for their departing residents; not sure if anywhere else has instituted similar. There are obvious practical problems with going it alone, I have no idea what AQIS would make of a Yellow Fever certificate that isn't in the paper book form. Of course, with Nigeria being a global centre of excellence for fraud, it wasn't long before fake e-Yellowbooks arrived.

However it seems more secure COVID test certification initiatives are bounding along, and they're multilateral. Hot on the heels of vaccines, the two main ones are the IATA Travel Pass, is to be rolled out in the first quarter of 2021, and the CommonPass initiative backed by the World Economic Forum. The former is to be rolled out on a dedicated phone app, while the latter will be made available on iOS on the Apple Health app, and for Android in an app called CommonHealth (apparently not available in Australia yet).

Cheers skip

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I would be wary about an IATA app. They represent airlines, have been shown to be somewhat misleading with their data and statistics around infection rates of covid on aircraft, and, until a vaccine, they will only partner with 'select laboratories' to upload test results. (Seems to completely miss the point that a negative test doesn't necessarily mean much these days given the incubation period.) 'Select laboratories' seems like $$$ to the consumer.

That being said, dunno if other apps would be much better.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

We had to get proof of flu vaccine to enter a Nursing Home. Provided by the pharmacist who gave us the shot and on official Australian papers.

My MIL's nursing home has required proof of flu shots for several years for entry during flu season. However just a copy of the purchase receipt is sufficient for them. In my and wife's case this is just issued from Chemist Warehouse as you purchase.

 

[Kent]

Anti vax or for it. the problem is lack of discernment and critical thinking. If one person has side effects is that not too many???where has our care and humanity gone?
it must be optional- if someone wishes to take an untested, unsafe experimental substance that is their choice. Only a lazy politician or paid up medico would insist it is safe.
it does not take much research with an open mind to see the potential hazards, especially for someone who is already not in great health.If you are in good health then you are no threat.

no one has ever answered this
if vaccines work, why are people afraid of being around someone who isn't????
if they are effective you cant catch whatever it is....leads back to critical thinking perhaps