Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

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There was some press a few weeks ago re how Taiwan was at the back of the vaccination queue due to having managed cases so well without one. They were wanting to wait on mrna options due to low trust on chinese vaccines but were late to secure contracts.
My understanding was that they were waiting for the roll out their own locally developed vaccines, supposedly in July 2021. Hence the available AZ was not very popular (prior to current outbreak)
 

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There was a little 'throw away' line in Singapore's "Straits Times" that seems to indicate that money not need had previously been a major criteria for being vaccinated. To quote - "Following this, the CECC said on Saturday that it will be pausing vaccinations for people who have been paying for their own jabs, to ensure there are enough vaccines for prioritised, high-risk groups, such as front-line medical staff and family members living with them." Of course I may be misinterpreting this but it does seem a bit odd.

 

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The fear mongering over a vaccine where the benefits far outweigh the negatives is astounding. I have had my first AZ shot (I’m under 50) and any concerns were so minimal that I didn’t give it a second thought. Even with what we know now I’d take the AZ again

And you are well within your right to knowingly accept that risk as you have.

But it is wrong to expect everyone else to adopt your personal level of risk taking. The benefit and risks are not the same for all others under 50.

It is reasonable for those not exposed to arrivals (via their work or household members) to wait and go with the recommended Pfizer/Moderna vaccine given lack of community cases as their risk of getting covid is incredibly small.
 

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Perhaps feds should be providing Australian made rapid test kits and aus medical team to administer them before repatriation flights if overseas labs cwnt be trusted.

 

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Irresponsible advice. Whilst rolling out vaccinations quickly is critical , Australians should not just "take anything", they should get the vaccine which is medically recommended for their circumstances.

Oh calm down boomer I think that goes without saying :)
 

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At least those of you who were in uproar about the stranded Aussies in India can feel at ease now.
yeah, but only if they don;t have COVID at the time - if you are a sick Aussie in a country with an overwhelmed health system, then stuff you (says the Australian Government).
 

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I'm finding the number of articles in the press and interviews on TV in the last week or two saying that borders must start to reopen - or at least we need a plan to allow that to happen - quite encouraging.
yes am noticing that as well & read a lot of travel news, not just general media.
 
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The problem is there are many countries actually tightening restrictions due to increasing covid cases.
A report from today reporting many European countries tightening restrictions.

Add in Singapore,South Korea,Taiwan,Fiji etc closer to home.

It will be interesting to see how things go during the European summer.
 

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The problem is there are many countries actually tightening restrictions due to increasing covid cases.
A report from today reporting many European countries tightening restrictions.

Add in Singapore,South Korea,Taiwan,Fiji etc closer to home.

It will be interesting to see how things go during the European summer.
This article is from MARCH 16th...not May.
 

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Sorry misread it.But even in the UK cases are now on the rise again.The Pandemic is nowhere near over.
 

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Sorry misread it.But even in the UK cases are now on the rise again.The Pandemic is nowhere near over.
who cares about cases, only hospitalisations and deaths will be relevant in vaccinated societies, this is what the AU gov is not looking like they will understand
 

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But daily deaths world wide doesn't look that good.Much worse than last year.
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Japan not looking too flash.
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USA still several hundred deaths per day.
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Places like france,Italy and Spain have daily deaths still in the hundreds.
And at this stage I don't think anyone really knows what may happen if the new Indian B 1617 becomes widespread.
As I said this pandemic is far from over.
And I am one who does want the border opened.But we have to be realistic.We should certainly have to start considering vaccinated people being able to travel to places such as Singapore and the UK where at the moment deaths have dramatically decreased.
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Singapore has had only 31 deaths total and only 2 this year.
 

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who cares about cases, only hospitalisations and deaths will be relevant in vaccinated societies, this is what the AU gov is not looking like they will understand

There was a snippet on the news tonight with the PM saying there will still be people who remain unvaccinated, including those who choose not to be vaccinated, and medical experts are going to have to weigh up the risks of opening borders for those people. Reported here as well: Government sticks to its guns on border closures despite claims Australia could become 'hermit outpost'

So it may not be a case of 'bad luck if you choose not to be vaccinated'. But I just can't see that being any different from the flu?

Drron - I think we need to focus on the death rate in countries with an active and substantial vaccine roll out. Which is where Australia wants to be... or at least I thought it was until the PM's comments today.
 

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I disagree to some extent.
The fear mongering over a vaccine where the benefits far outweigh the negatives is astounding. I have had my first AZ shot (I’m under 50) and any concerns were so minimal that I didn’t give it a second thought. Even with what we know now I’d take the AZ again


Yes there seems to be a lot of interesting logic about.

It is argued that we we need to open up and when we do there will be unvaccinated people both through choice and through some people not being able to be vaccinated. So that means accepting an annual death rate when we do, plus also most likely the deaths from influenza will resume being what they once were (though this fluctuates from year to year) after having been near zero for the last 12 months.

So these deaths are evidently judged as being acceptable in terms of overall community benefit, whereas the many fewer possible deaths from people taking AZ are not despite the large community benefit.

AZ may have a death rate of say 1 in a million more than Pfizer/Moderna, Though with the new monitoring of symptoms, early platelet testing if certain symptoms are reported and treatments for blood clots that death rate seems to be dropping. However with more widespread use, even if more deaths did occur, the total is not going to be large.

So instead many months delay has now been accepted. That delay causing all sorts of issues with mental and physical health and while that is hard to quantify it will result in deaths too.
 

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