Hydroxychloroquine - What Goes On?

Renato1

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I like watching Fox News.

Last Monday, on his radio show, Hannity interviewed a Doctor in a New York hotspot. Doctor said, he treated 350 patients of his and 150 in another area with hydroxychloroquine, antibiotics and zinc sulfate . At that time, he had had none going to hospital and none dead.

Next day Hannity had another New York doctor on who was also treating his patients with hydroxychloroquine - he was more coy about citing facts and figures, but said his results from using the anti-malaria drug on patients were positive.

On Saturday, Tucker Carlson had another doctor on describing the nightmare in New York hospitals. The Doctor then stated that he was using the anti-malaria drug as a prophylactic.

And New York Governor Cuomo was procuring 750,000 doses of the malaria drug chloroquine; 70,000 doses of its derivative, hydroxychloroquine; and 10,000 doses of the antibiotic Zithromax.

After President Trump expressed optimism over the results that French doctors had gotten with the drugs, and he had ordered the FDA to fast track testing of hydroxychloroquine, the Governors of Nevada and Michigan then passed orders preventing their doctors from using hydroxychloroquine on their patients,

These reports sort of raised a lot of questions to me like -
Would it not be a simple statistical test to see if, on contracting the virus, the population of people currently taking the drug for Lupus and arthritis have a significantly lower hospitalisation and death rate than the general population?

Would it not be a simple statistical test to compare the hundreds already treated with the drugs after contracting the virus, to an equivalent number of people who contracted the virus a few weeks prior who weren't treated?

What's up with those State Governors banning its use? and

Is the drug useless, or are New Yorkers and people here and in other countries now dying needlessly?

Then, on The Bolt Report tonight, he reported that New York health workers are now on the anti-malaria drug.
And that France and Italy now allows it to be used in some cases.
And that our health workers will be starting a trial in three weeks.

So, is this some kind of Right Wing Conspiracy in presenting the information above?
Or, does a partial cure fo rthe epidemic exist, but it doesn't work for the public ......but it is good for health workers? (Kind of reminds me of our Face Mask discussion)

Any thoughts?
Regards,
Renato
 
 
The first multicenter, open-label, randomized controlled trial.

Shanghai study n=150 (75 hydroxychloroquine, 75 standard of care)
16 Centres.

Conclusions :
The administration of HCQ did not result in a higher negative conversion rate but more alleviation of clinical symptoms than SOC alone in patients hospitalized with COVID-19 without receiving antiviral treatment, possibly through anti-inflammatory effects. Adverse events were significantly increased in HCQ recipients but no apparently increase of serious adverse events.
 

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The first multicenter, open-label, randomized controlled trial.

Shanghai study n=150 (75 hydroxychloroquine, 75 standard of care)
16 Centres.

Conclusions :
The administration of HCQ did not result in a higher negative conversion rate but more alleviation of clinical symptoms than SOC alone in patients hospitalized with COVID-19 without receiving antiviral treatment, possibly through anti-inflammatory effects. Adverse events were significantly increased in HCQ recipients but no apparently increase of serious adverse events.
Short answer, didn’t help.
 
Self sourcing is not such a good idea, and moreso when you do not really understand what it is anyway....
In this case you might be right but for some self sourcing can be a saviour.

I recently spent $100 for 50 generic valium tablets in Thailand. Quite expensive but not as expensive as having to visit a phychiatrist/psychologist on a regular basis in Australia in order to get a script.

Also I don't believe in suffering and waiting for tonsilitis, pharyngitis, laryngitis to run its course when antibiotics can assist in a few days. Yes it could be the placebo effect at work but it helps mum, dad, brother, wife, myself and I'm sure many more. I don't need to wait to see GP and beg for script so I source my own.
 
Doesn't help.
Actually kills people.
It will stop your heart before it stops the virus.
Uhhmm - so the medical community have been killing hundreds of thousands of malaria and Lupus patients since 1955 with hydroxychloroquine?

And nobody noticed till now. Who'd have thought?
Regards,
Renato
 
Doesn't help.
Actually kills people.
It will stop your heart before it stops the virus.
It can kill some people but help many many others. Like me. The doses they are trialling with seem very high. Guessing at lower doses they don't work so well. Would be interesting to see if a coughulative lower dose helps.
 
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Medicine/science tends to deal in absolutes , minimising the grey , fair enough.
Outside conventional medicine there is a world of self treatment.. homeopathy, chiropractics, herbalists…
Quackery is easy to make fun of, however tell that to someone it has helped when medicine said we can do no more.

Medicine may fail to nail Covid, it may be too slippery.
Enter stage right , the quacks.. who may find really useful ameliorative Covid treatments by trial and error.
Some of these treatments will never get a guernsey in conventional medicine because there are risks that insurers will not underwrite.

Cinchona Bark and derivatives may have a place in alternate Covid treatments, especially prophylactics , time will tell
 
Doesn't help.
Actually kills people.
It will stop your heart before it stops the virus.
I have already posted about that trial.They used very large doses that are known to have a high incidence of serious side effects.40+ years of usage has shown the dosage should be less than 500mg per day Very low incidence of serious side effects then

other trials using 400mg of hydroxychloroquine not showing those large numbers of serious side effects.
 
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Hydroxychloroquine alongside the antibiotic
azithromycin often make people throw up - I
wonder how many patients are keeping it down
without vomiting 10 mins after the nurse walks?
If the dose is high - this sounds dumb. The
Russians have a different recipie. And the known
dosage should have a height factor, not flat
doses.

The heart attack numbers can be explained but
the young and healthy are probably under-
represented in admissions and bias to older
people is that risk group who may have also
dallied with cox2 drugs.

I liked a radio chat that mentioned blood
oxygenation levels is a sign you may have it.
Easy to test - say if you feel lethargic.

One doctor phrase is horses for courses,
meaning people are different, such as cancer
drug doses. Good judgement comes from
experience. Looks like the more is better crowd
has come to town.

My last peeve is WHO dumping on test strip
results. Australia should be making its own fresh
reagents, not importing ones with preservatives
,stabilisers and developer.
I think a phone camera may have enough
sensitivity to display wet tests. But oh, they dont
want people to know instantly.

Except diabetics, they prove prick tests are not
difficult. We need to go back to 1940 days
where the army doc processed each person in
30 secs. But maybe not with the same needle.
Glass syringes never wear out.
 
I know some people rely on Fox News and the Daily Mail for their information, but the following link is to an article that may prove more educational:


Cheers, Scaredeycat
 

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