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Hydroxychloroquine - What Goes On?

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Trump said that the drugs in question did do what he claimed and were already approved by the FDA for said uses
Ah no he didnt
He said "maybe it works maybe it doesnt" but if faced with a patient about to die, you would try everything. Sounds reasonable if there is anecdotal evidence at the time.
Even medical marijuana is based on anecdotal evidence.
 

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Ah no he didnt
He said "maybe it works maybe it doesnt" but if faced with a patient about to die, you would try everything. Sounds reasonable if there is anecdotal evidence at the time.
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Depends which Trump statement you want to go with on which day. Talk about flapping around like a dunny door.

Just like his latest comments on injections with disinfectants. One day we should look at it and trial it (that would be one trial to not be in!) and the next it he states that he was just being sarcastic to journalists (And if even if he was not lying, which he was as he was clearly talking to his medical advisor, as if that would be prudent, or acceptable action by a leader in the middle of a pandemic to waste peoples time by such behaviour particularly when the lay public may have acted on his suggestion).
 
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Exactly Trump never said it would work.

BTW Trump is not the first to suggest unconventional therapies. To this date no one had actually tried it - which suggests it was a media pile-on.

I would be more worried about the WHO director who said international travel should not be banned while China was in lockdown. Governments and media all believed WHO and some countries are currently paying a very high price for it .
 

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Exactly Trump never said it would work.

BTW Trump is not the first to suggest unconventional therapies.
And this is logical how? Poor advice is poor advice even if someone else said it first.

And unconventional is a generous term for such therapies.

To this date no one had actually tried it - which suggests it was a media pile-on.
Watch the video.

The rapid advice to not do it my many authorities including the CDC, makers of disinfectant, the media etc hopefully have prevented it.

I would be more worried about the WHO director who said international travel should not be banned while China was in lockdown. Governments and media all believed WHO and some countries are currently paying a very high price for it .
I would be worried about all wrong advice.

I don't follow the logic of ignoring poor advice just because someone else also gave poor advice.
 

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I read an article this morning that said the trial of hydroxychloroquine had been discontinued, as it had the unfortunate side effect of killing those who took part.
 

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I read an article this morning that said the trial of hydroxychloroquine had been discontinued, as it had the unfortunate side effect of killing those who took part.
Way back in the 1979s when we took it for Malaria it was made quit clear that it was important to only take the prescribed amounts as there were potential side effects.
 

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I read an article this morning that said the trial of hydroxychloroquine had been discontinued, as it had the unfortunate side effect of killing those who took part.
There are many trials. The ones discontinued had the dosage set much too high. In itself, like any drug, it is not dangerous unless an overdose is taken or given. I've been safely on hydroxychloroquine now for four years. Which is 400mg.
 

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Exactly Trump never said it would work.

BTW Trump is not the first to suggest unconventional therapies. To this date no one had actually tried it - which suggests it was a media pile-on.
Well they have now :(


Well even the pro-Trump Fox News, promoted by the OP as being the source of best information on CV19 ( LOL) , has reported a spike in enquiries following Trump's interest in disinfectants to treat people for CV19.


NYC Poison Control Center saw 30 cases of exposure to Lysol, bleach & other cleaners in 18 hours after Trump’s suggestion disinfectant might be used to treat coronavirus

That’s more than double during same period in 2019, per health dept

Thankfully no hospitalizations or deaths



Who am I to argue with Fox News.....
 

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BTW Trump is not the first to suggest unconventional therapies.
There is nothing wrong with Trump, or any leader, maintaining an open mind and suggesting all sorts of crazy alternatives - who knows one might just work. Best though to do that behind closed doors and not discuss it so openly until there is something promising. The trouble is people do take notice of a president's words, for better or for worse.
 

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There are many trials. The ones discontinued had the dosage set much too high. In itself, like any drug, it is not dangerous unless an overdose is taken or given. I've been safely on hydroxychloroquine now for four years. Which is 400mg.
This is why best left to the experts and not promoters on news and current affairs shows (trouble is these days expert scientific opinions are often given same, or less, weighting as opinions of those who know nothing about the topic at hand). Whilst "the dose makes the poison" is not a difficult concept to grasp for the scientifically aware, there are lot of nuances around effiacy and toxicity that are difficult to communicate, and of course many people aren't that scientifically aware. For example, I'm sure most of us could safely consume bleach at extremely low concentrations (a few drops of bleach added to two litres of water will probably have no effect), but I also assume at the concentrations that are not likely to harm your human cells, they're also not likely to harm viruses inside the human body.
 

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Renato,

I refer to your original post -

Would it not be a simple statistical test to compare the hundreds already treated with the drugs after contracting the virus, to an equivalent number of people who contracted the virus a few weeks prior who weren't treated?
Well here it is - A study from New York.
Gerelis et al. NEJM - "Observational Study of Hydroxychloroquine in Hospitalized Patients with Covid-19"
1446 patients.
No difference in intubation or death.
No signal from Azithromycin.

Maybe - Fox news is not the place to get medical information from.

So, is this some kind of Right Wing Conspiracy in presenting the information above?
You tell me. It would seem like the people interviewed are not reliable sources of information.
Luckily those of us who make decisions for others don't make these decisions lightly. We rely on evidence and not anecdote. Maybe you should do the same.


Or, does a partial cure fo rthe epidemic exist, but it doesn't work for the public ......but it is good for health workers? (Kind of reminds me of our Face Mask discussion)
I couldn't agree more with you on the last statement...

TM
 

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Renato,

I refer to your original post -



Well here it is - A study from New York.
Gerelis et al. NEJM - "Observational Study of Hydroxychloroquine in Hospitalized Patients with Covid-19"
1446 patients.
No difference in intubation or death.
No signal from Azithromycin.

Maybe - Fox news is not the place to get medical information from.


You tell me. It would seem like the people interviewed are not reliable sources of information.
Luckily those of us who make decisions for others don't make these decisions lightly. We rely on evidence and not anecdote. Maybe you should do the same.



I couldn't agree more with you on the last statement...

TM
Might be interesting to see the results where HCQ is administered as prophylaxis.
 

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And yet another study demonstrating no significant benefit and significant increased risk of heart attack.
There was quite a significant caveat to the findings.
 

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