Does Closing Beaches Make Any Sense?

[lovetravellingoz]

There is an old axiom of communication that you need to communicate 3 times for the message to get through. We were slow to start our comms and do not have a wide enough spread (i.e. you need a variety of mediums to get to the audience). As for ScoMo thinking he is the comms manager, sorry but lots of people turned off listening to you a while ago.

I must be an old codger. From memory David Ogily was of the view that it was something like people had to see a message seven times to be effective, and that they would tune out one in four times. Meaning that they actually had to see the message 28 times.

 

[get me outta here]

Peter Doherty won the Nobel prize in medicine for his work on the immune system.

“We may see an upward trajectory for another week - a lot of the people on Bondi may have been infected," says Doherty, who literally wrote the book on the topic - "Pandemics: What Everyone Needs to Know" - in 2013.

 

[cove]

Adjusting people’s behaviour is not something that occurs overnight. We have Easter coming to prove that in Australia.

 

[Pushka]

My, this is a very depressing thread to find
Part of me wants the unbelievers to go in a strict Big Brother-type scenario & let's do the epidemiology stats on them as a control 'do nothing group' as volunteers - heroes
Part of me believes in evolution.

I agree with the evolution rule but in this case it targets wrong the population base.

 

[Pushka]

Too little too late. Damage done.

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[MEL_Traveller]

Too little too late. Damage done.

i actually see this as a positive. If a popular 'cool kid' publishes an apology like that, perhaps others in his demographic will pay attention. never too late.

 

[Pushka]

i actually see this as a positive. If a popular 'cool kid' publishes an apology like that, perhaps others in his demographic will pay attention. never too late.

Spring Break is over and they've spread back into the USA. But I do agree its a good thing just not after the event. Kids are already showing positive from this event. Too late for many.

 

[AIRwin]

If a popular 'cool kid' publishes an apology like that, perhaps others in his demographic will pay attention.

Hope it goes viral...

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Spring Break is over and they've spread back into the USA.

For sure. But how many frat parties will this now stop? Even if just a few, it's a good thing

 

[p--and--t]

Well those "she'll be right" selfish people who thought packing the beach against guidelines have triggered the latest necessary action by the NSW government.

If they repeat the action from midnight tonight they will now get a $1,000 on the spot fine or 6 months jail if they resist.

 

[Renato1]

They are not disinfectants

The article I posted says they are.
Your unsupported assertion that they aren't is just that - an unsupported asseertion.
Regards,
Renato

 

[Renato1]

Thread after thread you state what is not so.

With your theory, why is sun and fresh air an established cure for long running corona-viruses like the common flu, or common cold?
A: Because it does not work as a treatment, and it will not work for CV 19.

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I said - "Sorry - but you and most everyone aren't addressing the issues I raised - namely sun and fresh air are disinfectants,"

You said I keep stating was is not so, and refer to "my theory".

And I say - I didn't write the article I posted.

Your issue is with the writer - explain to that person that it will not work with the Covid 19 virus because either
a, you say so, or
b. you link to something that says it won't work.
Regards,
Renato

 

[scaredeycat]

I find Renato's posts much easier to stomach now that I realise that they are satire.

 

[mannej]

Anyone can write an article. Doesn’t mean it is factually correct...

 

[burmans]

I find Renato's posts much easier to stomach now that I realise that they are satire.

We should be so lucky.

 

[Max Samuels]

No - makes no sense. But did you expect anything sensible?

 

[drron]

On the other side does anyone know how long the virus stays alive on Australian beach sand.I can't find any such studies.

 

[andye]

I have had several meetings today to discuss how we are going to deal with an increased influx of Covid patients so am hesitant to get too involved in this but.....

The use of the phrase "sunshine is the best disinfectant" has nothing to do with health-its a quote to describe the value of transparency when dealing with corruption

The article concerned gives no scientific facts to refute, just a collection of anecdotes and associations. The mysterious "Open Air Factor" is about the height of it. There are multiple confounders (eg people outside could be increasing their social distancing or be less prone to depression or be at reduced risk of hospital-acquired infection from surfaces etc). The ability to show that anything was specifically killing the influenza virus just wasn't there in the 1960s

I did have a quick search to see if there was anything to back up a sunlight theory. UV-C rays can indeed kill flu and other viruses-however no naturally occurring UV-C rays reach ground level. There was a paper from a US military group who extrapolated from the UVC data to predict the effect of sunlight on bioterrorism viruses (no actual experiments just mathematical modelling). It does seem that sunlight can reduce bacteria in clear bottles of water if left out for several hours There are also a few papers (mostly inspired by the corruption quote above) that show reductions in fungi and bacteria when items are left out in the sun to air.

Sunlight might well increase the decay of virus particles on a surface exposed to the air but its not going to do it quickly and its certainly not going to inactivate a droplet from a cough in midair

Based on the above, I suppose you might say that 1000s of people congregating on Bondi Beach is a bit less dangerous than them congregating in the Qudos Arena. It's still unnecessary and epidemiologically reckless in the current situation.

The sunshine theory is a classic example of something that some people want to believe so will accept any old codswallop to support their gut-feeling while dismissing really good evidence for other things that don't chime with their world-view

Here's to hoping the hospital admissions, ICU cases and deaths remain manageably low

 

[drron]

Well we did treat TB with sunlight and good living at Sanitoria.
But then the world discovered streptomycin and sunlight faded (pun intended ) as a treatment.

It's like a few old fashioned ideas such as colds are caused by the cold.In WW2 the British army brass decided to test this sending several soldiers out on the moors in winter.They were to stay isolated from each other.Not one got a "cold".Changed swiftly when they got back to the baracks.

 

[burmans]

In NSW, Waverley Council in Sydney’s eastern suburbs has recorded the highest number of confirmed coronavirus cases.

Hmm, I wonder what gathering might have caused that?