Does Closing Beaches Make Any Sense?

[Renato1]

Repeating what was posted above.

Food, medical supplies, or exercise. The intent is not to stay out for lengthy periods.

The social distancing advisory states

• stay at home unless is absolutely necessary

Walking on the beach = exercise.

Staying on the beach for large parts of the day with a bit of a walk and a bit of a swim is NOT necessary.

1. Social Distancing Advisory is Advice.
2. I am unsure how it is that you are the arbiter of what is and is not exercise. In terms of calories used, especially compared to sitting home watching TV, staying at beach all day and being active uses up more calories than a quick walk on beach.
3. These are the current regulations, where the message is to stay at home (i.e. not a MUST), but where the MUST relates to distance apart and the 4 square meters.

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People were complying with the MUST and exercising.
Regards,
Renato

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

A few days ago, a level 4 do not travel advice from Australia to outside was still not being adhered to, so the National Cabinet turned it into a MUST. That is a full travel ban making it illegal to travel from Australia to outside Australia.

A lots of things are not a MUST at the moment, but recommendation.

With all these recommendations, a lot of people are reading between the lines and coming with the conclusion to have minimal time outside the household at all times.

All these recommendation/rules are not foolproof. You can still catch the coronavirus from more than 2m away from another person Eg, an infected person sneezes into your upwind and you breathe it in.

In a perfect world to solely stop the spread of coronavirus, everyone would be confined to sole isolation. The next best step is in their home like in New Zealand.

PS a point made in post 101 might seem contradictory
Point 1. social distancing is advice
Point 3. distance apart and 4m2 is must/rule.

 

[Renato1]

That’s unfortunate for your friend.

Do you know that the virus is carried by droplets?

I think it’s right that water-based activities are not encouraged.

Did you also read the article that Coronavirus was in the sewage? That’s another proof that the virus lives in water-based places.

As it transpires, coronaviruses don't survive as well in waste water compared tap water. And they are far less resilient in either than the polio virus.

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Can't find any data on coronavirus in seawater - but I can't imagine it would survive even better in it than in the other two.

The probability of a droplets sprayed into the air and then entering one's nose, is far greater than a droplet sprayed into air, then into water or straight into water and making into one's nose.

Can't stop breathing air. Can't breathe sea water.
Regards,
Renato

 

[MEL_Traveller]

With all these recommendations, a lot of people are reading between the lines and coming with the conclusion to have minimal time outside the household at all times.

An equally a lot of people are reading between the lines to reach their preferred conclusion that they can still carry on as normal

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

An equally a lot of people are reading between the lines to reach their preferred conclusion that they can still carry on as normal

Hopefully not equally 50/50......perhaps a minority, hopefully an ever decreasing minority.

 

[amaroo]

Don't worry about the beaches, wait till your neighbour comes for your food

 

[straitman]

You miss the point - the vast majority of people were not flouting the rules.
Today I saw some people were drawing big 1.5 to 2 meter circles around them on the sand, staking out their territory.

A sensible government would have sent those same police officers out to beaches and handed out on-the-spot fines to people clustered together in violation of the 1.5 meter distance rule.
Regards,
Renato

1. Social Distancing Advisory is Advice.
2. I am unsure how it is that you are the arbiter of what is and is not exercise. In terms of calories used, especially compared to sitting home watching TV, staying at beach all day and being active uses up more calories than a quick walk on beach.
3. These are the current regulations, where the message is to stay at home (i.e. not a MUST), but where the MUST relates to distance apart and the 4 square meters.

Health.vic

At the Department of Health, we’re focused on supporting Victorians to be as healthy as they can by delivering a world-class health system that focuses on improving patient outcomes and experiences.

www.dhhs.vic.gov.au

People were complying with the MUST and exercising.
Regards,
Renato

I think you are being somewhat selective in your reading. Maybe people weren't flouting the '1.5 to 2 meter circle' however the rules (advisory or otherwise) also state:

Social distancing in public means people:

• stay at home unless is absolutely necessary
• keep 1.5 metres away from others
• avoid physical greetings such as handshaking, hugs and kisses
• use tap and pay instead of cash
• travel at quiet times and avoid crowds
• avoid public gatherings and at risk groups
• practise good hygiene

A day at the beach certainly doesn't fit within #1, #5 and #6.

Don't worry about the beaches, wait till your neighbour comes for your food

Our neighbours brought our food today as we are still self isolating. Maybe they were sussing us out for the future?

 

[Guvner]

So the local council closes the beach today


But then posts this on Facebook..



So when is a closed beach not really closed?

 

[Happy Trails]

... public swimming pools. Nasty things in the water...

The public.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

So when is a closed beach not really closed?

When you do anything but active exercise (as opposed to the sitting 'doing nothing' 'exercise')

 

[Pushka]

Well some people have something called logic.

I just watched Premier Andrews say the beaches are closed - but people are still allowed to walk on beaches, but they are not allowed to stay on the beach all day. Even though most everyone (except couples) is easily more than two meters apart.

Thu s walking on beach is okay. But lying on beach not okay. Remind me of primary school - someone does something wrong, punish the whole class. Just what I expect from Collectivists.

And during news report I was watching people on Mornington Peninsula complaining about people from the city coming down to their beaches and using them - camera pans across the beach and people are 30 or more meters apart. Then pictures of Policemen going to a single person who seemed about 200meters from anyone and telling him to go away.

That's a valuable use of Police resources.

And to answer your question, that is what people do not understand.

If, for example, some people do something wrong and/or dangerous on a freeway, the Government fines the individuals doing wrong. They don't go on TV complaining like old whiners about it, and then close the freeway to everybody until further notice.
Regards,
Renato

Of course. That makes perfect sense to me anyway. And what better use of police resources than to stop the risk of Covid. It is the biggest risk that I have seen in 60+ years. . I have no problems here.

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Staying on beach all day, swimming in water, resting, swimming in water, walking up and down beach, swimming some more - IS exercise.

One of my friends just had his public pool closed - the one he swam in every day to relieve a long term painful knee problem. Now he can't swim in beach water.
Regards,
Renato

no. That's entertainment.

 

[p--and--t]

Repeating what was posted above.

Food, medical supplies, or exercise. The intent is not to stay out for lengthy periods.

The social distancing advisory states

• stay at home unless is absolutely necessary

Walking on the beach = exercise.

Staying on the beach for large parts of the day with a bit of a walk and a bit of a swim is NOT necessary.

Unfortunately some people who you might think intelligent at other times actually don't seem understand what the government (and I) thought was a reasonably simple concept - Stay at Home

 

[Pushka]

Surely its about not congregating as apart from moving. Not rocket science.

 

[p--and--t]

Surely its about not congregating as apart from moving. Not rocket science.

....and the majority of the population are about to suffer significantly more restrictions within days as a result of the stubborn few who continue to think the directives don't apply to them because they know better and try to create their own paradigm

 

[Himeno]

and this stupidity by a select few, forcing tougher requirements on everyone else, shows why many mayors in Italy are getting so pissed off

 

[juddles]

Beach closings?

I agree with many that a beach environment is not exactly paradise to the virus - an intently harsh and difficult environment.

But place two people close enough to each other and the virus manages a leap....

I see the whole "beach" thing much more in a way of understanding people. There appear to be so many members of society trying to justify anything other than actually helping the whole community. Idiots who think that 1.5 metres is the safe thing to do. When really we should all be acting like we are carrying a horroble virus and keeping as far away from others as we possibly can.

 

[straitman]

Just watching the latest Australian statistics/figures on COVID-19 cases and no surprises. The age group with the highest infection rate is the 20-29 year old group even though they are a group that is only very mildly infected.
Reasons stated were because they are the ones out in public flaunting the rules.

 

[juddles]

Just watching the latest Australian statistics/figures on COVID-19 cases and no surprises. The age group with the highest infection rate is the 20-29 year old group even though they are a group that is only very mildly infected.
Reasons stated were because they are the ones out in public flaunting the rules.

Difficult to blame them when everything seems to be suggestions as opposed to "rules".

 

[Himeno]

Difficult to blame them when everything seems to be suggestions as opposed to "rules".

Those people need to understand that these "suggestions" are "you need to do this, otherwise we will have to force you to do it".

 

[juddles]

Those people need to understand that these "suggestions" are "you need to do this, otherwise we will have to force you to do it".

Exactly. In my neck of the woods it was clear the whole thing was a "joke" until nightclubs and pubs were closed - until then noone really got the whole thing. And if the authorities do not actually toss around a few fines, and make impacts and in the whole social media thing, very few will actually think that the new rules could apply to them.