Alan Jones comments at Liberal function

[amaroo]

Some interesting chatter on twitter regarding the sexually explicit tweet by Catherine Deveny on #SensitiveTony

My one & only experience of this person was watching Q&A a few weeks ago......what a nasty piece of work it is:!:

 

[drron]

Some interesting chatter on twitter regarding the sexually explicit tweet by Catherine Deveny on #SensitiveTony

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone and all that

After the SBS series on the boat people I have checked Ms Deveny's twitter feed from time to time.Her critiscising anyone for bad language,racist,sexist etc speech is quite frankly the ultimate hypocrisy.

 

[oz_mark]

But we live in a country where free speech is protected.

Not really.

(and even if free speech was enshrined in some law somewhere, it should always be remembered, that with freedom comes responsibility)

 

[amaroo]

Not really.

(and even if free speech was enshrined in some law somewhere, it should always be remembered, that with freedom comes responsibility)

Jones is a DH however, this Gov wants to cut the head of any criticism by enacting new media law......be afraid, very afraid!

 

[medhead]

Oh dear,oh dear.Should have read further and post 47 by me clarifies what i meant.
Your response is typical of what is wrong with politics in Australia.Too eager to attack.

And by the way as far as I can see I am the only one in this thread to critiscise all sides of politics.Just so you dont have to go searching here is part of my post(33)-.

not really it took you, what 7 posts into the thread to write the one sided thing that I quoted and then another 47 posts to change your mind. Trouble is the meaning of that first post is pretty clear. If I could be bothered to post further in this thread I'm sure I would have the opportunity to criticise both sides, once all the one sided points are addressed.


Sent from the Throne

 

[seanpodge]

Woolworths manager who is heavily involved with NSW Liberals and was MC on the night just resigned...

I find the whole press on this amazing.
Sure Alan Jones is a divisive and controversial personality and he said something totally dumb...

But we live in a country where free speech is protected.
and this includes racist sexist stupid bigots.
I tend to just ignore those people

More amazing is some of the online hatred against Jones and the Radio Station.
.. in a country that supposedly values free speech and tolerance

In a similar way to how many members of this forum will be aware that duty free doesn't mean profit free (especially in the Australian context), free speech doesn't mean that you can say whatever you want and suffer no negative consequences whatsoever. For starters, there's defamation law, which several Liberal politicians, such as the current leader of the opposition, have taken advantage of to their financial benefit. Of course, Abbott has a rather different attitude when it's his acolyte Andrew "brown paper bag test" Bolt " in the dock, but we've come to expect that sort of carry on from Tony for a while now.

As for Simon Berger, he was their government relations manager for crying out loud. Pretty stupid for a milk bar, let alone one of the biggest retailers in Australia, to have someone who went to the bother of organising and paying for a chaff bag jacket to be made up and signed by Alan Jones for a raffle at a Young Liberals function try and represent their interests with government. My only surprises in this case are that he lasted nearly a week and that he resigned rather than the board giving him five minutes to clear his desk as soon as the story broke. Once again, free speech has consequences. But then again, I thought that conservatives were big on personal responsibility so they shouldn't have any trouble just copping it on the chin and getting on with it, should they? Or is personal responsibility just for welfare recipients?

Perhaps it should also be noted that free speech doesn't magically mean you can't be criticised for what you say (i.e. you don't get to have all the free speech to yourself!).

 

[whatmeworry]

Re: New Virgin Campaign

A bit of sledging from a radio host - that's all it was...

I cannot believe how fast this country is trying to pad everything in cotton wool as we march toward a communist state

Would it be different if it was the memory of your dear and departed that Alan Jones tore apart, is it just a bit harmless sledging? A bit of legitimate political gamesmanship? How would you like if someone said your parent died of shame because of your actions? Just remember she did not murder, rape or assault someone in her leadership. She has led in difficult circumstances, while the coalition government attempts to stymie any type of legislation, so as to weaken the present government.

I prefer Rudd over Julia, but then again I prefer Joe Hockey and Malcolm Turnbull to lead the Coalition opposition.

Quite a ridiculous to say we heading towards a communist state. Australia had the first government in the world that was led by a labour party. I think because of our unique history has meant we as a nation have not headed down the USA path of workplace relations... Well just not yet.

I didn't realise the story behind sexuality of Alan Jones till this story. Whatever his sexual preferences, I do find it strange that the right wing defend his right to attack the prime minister of the day over her leadership, yet conveniently glanced over his alleged actions in London and as a teacher when he wrote very personal letters to teenage boys.

 

[eastwest101]

You really need to wait until next year for that evidence. Don't you?

Should have been more clear with what I said, in Hvr's post # 13 there was the explicit statement that

"I believe that this latest piece of filth (probably silently supported by Abbott and co) will harm their chances of being returned at the next election."

I was asking for evidence that the comments of Alan Jones were silently supported by Abbott and co. Hvr never replied to that unprovable assertion. His comments about the publicity harming anyone's chances of re-election will of course be settled when the next election happens, as you point out and I think we all agree.

This is as far as I could read before having to reply. Is that like the forgiveness for the stinking evil, [w]itch who made a promise but, once the dice were rolled found that the promise could be kept? Or is the Coalition and their supporters the only ones deserving of forgiveness? And everyone else need to kill the [w]itch.

I'd laugh but it is just not funny.

Born to rule, hey?

I call strawman there - but you are right - its not funny to try to put words in other people's mouths like drron, I will let drron speak for him/herself but I would imagine that you could not find one of drron's posts that said anything like that.

I am sure the born to rule mentality is present in some minor parts of all political parties.

 

[drron]

not really it took you, what 7 posts into the thread to write the one sided thing that I quoted and then another 47 posts to change your mind. Trouble is the meaning of that first post is pretty clear. If I could be bothered to post further in this thread I'm sure I would have the opportunity to criticise both sides, once all the one sided points are addressed.


Sent from the Throne

And how do you know what i was thinking when i made my first post?
Sorry but your bias read into my post what you wanted it to read.
If you read the whole thread you will see that there were 2 more posters that ascribed to me a meaning that was incorrect.My reply came 2 hours later.
And by the way the post of mine was number 17 not 7.Are you trying to become a journalist?

 

[Katie]

Comments like Jones's makes me wonder when we're going to start seeing groups like the birthers and tea party mob here. Waiting for a conspiracy theory that Gillard is secretly a married, fundamentalist Christian & that's why she doesn't support gay marriage or that Abbott is secretly a closeted gay man born in Kenya. Or something that ridiculous, but mobs of people will believe & vote a particular way, because the media told them so.

And by the way as far as I can see I am the only one in this thread to critiscise all sides of politics.

drron, while I may not have been particularly direct, I was trying to criticise all sides. I think all sides sledge, peddle untruths/mistruths/assumptions/absolute rot, and various aspects of the media support them.

What frustrates me the most about all of this is the time and energy spent on the debate around certain issues (what Jones said, was his apology real, which advertisers should be boycotted, whether Obama is secretly a Muslim, does Abbott really truly support women - and some would probably suggest some of my personal hot political topics could go into this list ) when there are so many other issues that could be being discussed, policies formed, action taken.

 

[Princess Fiona]

This is the most important issue of all IMO:

drron, while I may not have been particularly direct, I was trying to criticise all sides. I think all sides sledge, peddle untruths/mistruths/assumptions/absolute rot, and various aspects of the media support them.

What frustrates me the most about all of this is the time and energy spent on the debate around certain issues (what Jones said, was his apology real, which advertisers should be boycotted, whether Obama is secretly a Muslim, does Abbott really truly support women - and some would probably suggest some of my personal hot political topics could go into this list ) when there are so many other issues that could be being discussed, policies formed, action taken.

 

[munitalP]

...

But we live in a country where free speech is protected.
and this includes racist sexist stupid bigots.
I tend to just ignore those people

...

I think my signature sums it up quite well...

 

[Alanslegal]

LOL @ AJ!

"" MERCEDES-BENZ will confiscate Alan Jones's $250,000 sponsored car, and has vowed to never again support the controversial
broadcaster or his radio station 2GB.""

Read more: Alan Jones loses his Merc | News.com.au

 

[cove]

First the share price and now the black loaner Merc. Alan needed to walk anyway so this should do him some good.

 

[Moody]

LOL @ AJ!

"" MERCEDES-BENZ will confiscate Alan Jones's $250,000 sponsored car, and has vowed to never again support the controversial
broadcaster or his radio station 2GB.""

Read more: Alan Jones loses his Merc | News.com.au

Very funny article - particularly the end quote from 2GB that boycotts will hurt young employees, not Alan Jones. They would have been more credible if they had said "We were just following orders."

 

[medhead]

Re: New Virgin Campaign

Of course I am biased.I did stand as a Liberal candidate in a federal election.For all those who think the ALP can do no wrong I guess you think death threats against an opposing candidates child is OK.

Oh drron we really should have a beer. I could then tell you about the years of hell that my family was subjected to by Sir "fornication face" Joh and his cronies, because my father stood at a state election for the ALP against the then deputy premier.

It starts with the local dog catcher, a liberal/national supporter, who was really kind and used to bring our dog home every day after it took itself down to King's Beach for a swim. Funny thing is that the dog completely disappeared shortly after the election. The implication of this story is pretty clear, and obviously I have no way to prove what happened, but it is a massive coincidence. Given all the rubbish that happened in the following years, I'm feel comfortable believing it is mostly likely that the "liberals" killed our family pet.

 

[amaroo]

Re: New Virgin Campaign

Oh drron we really should have a beer. I could then tell you about the years of hell that my family was subjected to by Sir "fornication face" Joh and his cronies, because my father stood at a state election for the ALP against the then deputy premier.

It starts with the local dog catcher, a liberal/national supporter, who was really kind and used to bring our dog home every day after it took itself down to King's Beach for a swim. Funny thing is that the dog completely disappeared shortly after the election. The implication of this story is pretty clear, and obviously I have no way to prove what happened, but it is a massive coincidence. Given all the rubbish that happened in the following years, I'm feel comfortable believing it is mostly likely that the "liberals" killed our family pet.

Did you ever think it might have been a shark? road accident? stolen? or just plain lost?

 

[medhead]

Re: New Virgin Campaign

Did you ever think it might have been a shark? road accident? stolen? or just plain lost?

Sure it could have been those things. However, after years of habit in going to the beach lost is not something that I would have thought likely. Stolen, massive coincidence just after the election, but possible. Road accident, again possible but usually there would remain a body. Shark? We might have heard something about a shark taking a dog from one of the main swimming beaches in Caloundra, don't you think? As I said given the years of hell that the national/liberal party put us through following the election it is equally likely that the dog was taken and killed by a vindictive liberal/national supporter.

It would also help to remember that this is a small community, at the time, and my father and our family was pretty well known in that community. So there are other things like "we saw the dog on his usual way to the beach" etc.

 

[anat0l]

Re: New Virgin Campaign

I'm looking at the debacle currently at our university with respect to student union politics, and thought that student politics was skullduggery, dishonesty and deception (plus other things alluded to here - defamation / destroying of character, fraud, misrepresentation, and yes, even death threats, if this last one is even significant), and this was appalling when compared to politics in the "real" world.

I'm starting to think that politics in the "real" world is a lot worse, and we're "breeding" politicians really young on such a path. For a supposedly "proud" democracy who prides itself on having high standards of governance, this is really embarrassing.


How do we all put up with it.............

 

[Sprucegoose]

Re: New Virgin Campaign

I'm looking at the debacle currently at our university with respect to student union politics, and thought that student politics was skullduggery, dishonesty and deception (plus other things alluded to here - defamation / destroying of character, fraud, misrepresentation, and yes, even death threats, if this last one is even significant), and this was appalling when compared to politics in the "real" world.

I'm starting to think that politics in the "real" world is a lot worse, and we're "breeding" politicians really young on such a path. For a supposedly "proud" democracy who prides itself on having high standards of governance, this is really embarrassing.


How do we all put up with it.............

The alternative my friend is a lot worse!!!