Oneworld Classic Flight Reward Discussion - The Definitive Thread

[DC3]

.... a) at what point does the change/booking service fees kick in when I call the customer support centre? If I don't like the added taxes I'm quoted or can't come to a solution, do I still automatically get slugged the service fee just for having spoken to them?

b) I had plans to include a couple successive transit segments <24 hours in the US. If I missed one of these, or I guess any other connections along the way because of an airline issue or force majeure event - basically not my fault - how do you ens other airlines that feature later on the ticket keep hold of your reservation as I thought one missed segment automatically voids the remainder?

There is no charge to speak with the Call Centre. The points change fee applies for actual changes (per passenger, per phone call, doing as many changes as you like in the call).

I have no experience with missed flights on a Oneworld Award. The Call Centre may be able to address your concerns.

Edit: And welcome to AFF.

 

[onetonnerodeo]

There is no charge to speak with the Call Centre. The points change fee applies for actual changes (per passenger, per phone call, doing as many changes as you like in the call).

I have no experience with missed flights on a Oneworld Award. The Call Centre may be able to address your concerns.

Edit: And welcome to AFF.

I think in the discussion about recent changes to Qantas fees this came up the other day, but with the other poster that you responded to travelling in economy, I'd expect they would be subject to a change fee (5,000) and service fee (now 7,700). Business and First Class aren't subject to the service fee. Per below. I suspect this also answers that poster's question as it mentions "amount must be paid at the time of making your changes". So, if no changes are agreed to, then no service fee (or change fee) would be my assumption. However, I don't exactly understand what would happen if you ask them to check changes and calculate taxes on them but then pull the pin.


Service Fees
Service Fees are payable in addition to any applicable Change Fees.
Payable where changes are made to Classic Flight Reward bookings via Qantas Contact Centres.
Money payment option is available for Reward Flight booking changes made in Australia or in New Zealand (except as otherwise stated). Amount must be paid at the time of making your changes.
Service Fees will not be applied when changing Classic Flight Rewards booked for travel in Business or First class.
Fee for International:
For changes made to bookings prior to 18 December 2019: 8,000 Qantas Points per passenger
For changes made to bookings on and from 18 December 2019: 7,700 Qantas Qantas Points per passenger

 

[Jacques Vert]

However, I don't exactly understand what would happen if you ask them to check changes and calculate taxes on them but then pull the pin.

You just thank them for their time and say something like "I'll think about it".

 

[Arlindo]

Thanks guys. I'll try understand from the call centre then regarding the missed flights aspect. That's what has me nervous about adding successive layovers. Miss one, better than even odds you miss the next. Then potentially plenty of unknowns.

 

[Jacques Vert]

Thanks guys. I'll try understand from the call centre then regarding the missed flights aspect. That's what has me nervous about adding successive layovers. Miss one, better than even odds you miss the next. Then potentially plenty of unknowns.

When doing a surface sector or flying on a different ticket or airline, I always allow one or two nights in my next departure city before rejoining my Oneworld Award, just in case I get delayed.

 

[Arlindo]

When doing a surface sector or flying on a different ticket or airline, I always allow one or two nights in my next departure city before rejoining my Oneworld Award, just in case I get delayed.

Good suggestion thanks I think I've got those surface segments and/or other tickets covered with a buffer. I was more concerned to same ticket connections/segments, like the following example

a) AA SFO - CHI 'aug' 15
b) AA CHI - JFK 'aug' 16 (<24 hours)
c+d+e) other segments from alternative carriers on the same ticket/PRN (>1 month later)

I made up the above dates as an example, but if (a) was cancelled or delayed, I'd potentially miss (b) by the time I got re-booked/re-routed...I assume b also gets rescheduled by AA but what would happen to c+d+e, if anything, as I thought automatically a miss cancels the rest of the ticket..and does (a) all of a sudden become a 24+ hour stopover

I'm on the phone now with 3 hour wait time

 

[onetonnerodeo]

So as it turns out, I tried to make some changes to my own OWA. I've posted this in the LATAM forum as well, but might have some relevance here.

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So I recently went ahead and made a booking for a OWA ticket (it was after the recent exit changes announced by LATAM). There were a couple or so segments on the itinerary with LATAM. I wanted to make some changes, including to one of those LATAM segments. Naturally, this re-issues the ticket. However, the Qantas centre (I reached NZ) was having complications (on more than one occasion) processing this change, as the amendment was no longer being recognised as a points booking and instead it was automatically being re-priced as a full-fee booking.

One of the workers advised from their supervisor that they are waiting on a waiver code (or something to that effect) from LATAM to effectively get around this issue, but haven't had word of a timeline and in the meantime weren't really sure how to deal with it. It wasn't expected to otherwise interrupt with the booking if unchanged, nor prevent you from making new bookings with the points as you can still do, but changes seem to be the sticking point.

Not sure if anyone has encountered any problems or had success with changes, but maybe something to be aware of.

 

[Jacques Vert]

Good suggestion thanks I think I've got those surface segments and/or other tickets covered with a buffer. I was more concerned to same ticket connections/segments, like the following example

a) AA SFO - CHI 'aug' 15
b) AA CHI - JFK 'aug' 16 (<24 hours)
c+d+e) other segments from alternative carriers on the same ticket/PRN (>1 month later)

I made up the above dates as an example, but if (a) was cancelled or delayed, I'd potentially miss (b) by the time I got re-booked/re-routed...I assume b also gets rescheduled by AA but what would happen to c+d+e, if anything, as I thought automatically a miss cancels the rest of the ticket..and does (a) all of a sudden become a 24+ hour stopover

I'm on the phone now with 3 hour wait time

If you miss a connection because of something the airline does (delayed or cancelled flight, schedule change, etc.), then it's up to the airlines (specifically Qantas in most instances), to rebook you, including all remaining flights, if necessary. A missed connection caused by one of the airlines on your ticket will not cancel the remainder of your ticket (or if it does, it is up to them to reinstate it).

If you miss your flight because of something that you do (sleep in, go to the wrong gate or at the wrong time, etc.), then that's an entirely different story.

 

[blu]

We had a delayed AA domestic flight last month, due to mechanical problem, that would have missed an AA connecting flight. AA booked us on a Delta flight going direct without a connection. Even though it was not One World, it had no impact on our remaining award flights

 

[squid01]

So as it turns out, I tried to make some changes to my own OWA. I've posted this in the LATAM forum as well, but might have some relevance here.

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So I recently went ahead and made a booking for a OWA ticket (it was after the recent exit changes announced by LATAM). There were a couple or so segments on the itinerary with LATAM. I wanted to make some changes, including to one of those LATAM segments. Naturally, this re-issues the ticket. However, the Qantas centre (I reached NZ) was having complications (on more than one occasion) processing this change, as the amendment was no longer being recognised as a points booking and instead it was automatically being re-priced as a full-fee booking.

One of the workers advised from their supervisor that they are waiting on a waiver code (or something to that effect) from LATAM to effectively get around this issue, but haven't had word of a timeline and in the meantime weren't really sure how to deal with it. It wasn't expected to otherwise interrupt with the booking if unchanged, nor prevent you from making new bookings with the points as you can still do, but changes seem to be the sticking point.

Not sure if anyone has encountered any problems or had success with changes, but maybe something to be aware of.

Did they say if this was happening because you were trying to change one of the Latam legs? Or even if you were just changing a different airline leg the existence of a Latham flight elsewhere on the PNR was causing it?

 

[onetonnerodeo]

Did they say if this was happening because you were trying to change one of the Latam legs? Or even if you were just changing a different airline leg the existence of a Latham flight elsewhere on the PNR was causing it?

I asked the hypothetical that if it was just a change to another partner flight on the ticket, which I was trying to do anyways, what would happen. And similarly, since that would result in a reissued ticket, the advice I received was that it would create the same issue as well. First operator actually had the same problems without informing me or trying to troubleshoot it and then disconnecting on me. Second operator had the same issue but actually delved deep into it and was speaking with his supervisor. Nonetheless, they really didn't have a solution, at least just right now until LATAM works through it with them.

 

[pagebb]

I'm having some trouble finding J availability for AA through the Qantas search. I have found that I can often find a seat when searching through the AA website that isn't available on Qantas. For example, on this flight MAD>JFK I can find a J seat through AA but not through Qantas.

Would I be able to book this seat as part of my OWA or not? In general, how do you guys go about finding availability for seats that aren't well captured by the Qantas search engine?

 

[Oubline]

I'm having some trouble finding J availability for AA through the Qantas search. I have found that I can often find a seat when searching through the AA website that isn't available on Qantas. For example, on this flight MAD>JFK I can find a J seat through AA but not through Qantas.

Would I be able to book this seat as part of my OWA or not? In general, how do you guys go about finding availability for seats that aren't well captured by the Qantas search engine?

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British Airways is the most accurate in my experience. There might be a chance that the award space is only available to AA’s own customers. Still, you can really only know for sure by calling Qantas.

 

[BriarFlyer]

Is this a Business MileSAAver or an Anytime award? Award availability to Qantas will be from the SAAver category only whereas AA miles can be used in either category of award.

 

[DC3]

There's limited AA MileSAAver Business availability MAD-JFK showing on AA.com throughout the whole of the second half of 2020 when I just checked. There's no availability on 14th October. On 13th, there's availability showing, but this is on IB/AA, MAD-IAD-LGA. However, I understand that there may be issues with booking IB seats.

Economy is pretty much wide open. If connections are important, you could book Economy now, and change that later if/when Business seats open up, if that suits. I've only looked for one seat, as not sure how many passengers you have.

Business availability:



Economy availability:


And, welcome to AFF.

Edit: Edited several times due to some possible AA.com website issues

 

[pagebb]

Is this a Business MileSAAver or an Anytime award? Award availability to Qantas will be from the SAAver category only whereas AA miles can be used in either category of award.

Thanks! How can I check whether results on the AA website are MileSAAver or Anytime award?

 

[pagebb]

There's limited AA MileSAAver Business availability MAD-JFK showing on AA.com throughout the whole of the second half of 2020 when I just checked. There's no availability on 14th October. On 13th, there's availability showing, but this is on IB/AA, MAD-IAD-LGA. However, I understand that there may be issues with booking IB seats.

Economy is pretty much wide open. If connections are important, you could book Economy now, and change that later if/when Business seats open up, if that suits. I've only looked for one seat, as not sure how many passengers you have.

Business availability:

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Economy availability:

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And, welcome to AFF.

Edit: Edited several times due to some possible AA.com website issues

Thank you very much for your help and for making me feel so welcome! I'm amazed that I've had 3 people offer help since yesterday.

At the moment I'm planning for a trip for the middle of next year (for two people) so I still have plenty of time to put together an itinerary that works. It's a good suggestion to book an economy seat and change later.

We're planning on travelling CPH>JFK (or somewhere in north-east US - IAD, PHL, etc. would be fine). We're open to travelling through any nearby airport but perhaps not as far as DOH as we would likely exceed the 35k mile limit. It would be great to have a J class seat but not essential.

In general, how do I go about checking AA MileSAAver availability?

 

[Ktan89]

Hi @pagebb there are plenty of airlines who can get you from CPH to JFK without going backwards to DOH - Example: BA via London, AY via Helsinki or
IB via Madrid

 

[motef]

Just wanted to thank everyone on this forum and in particular this thread for all the help as I have finally completed bookings for our trip for the two of us

It is

NTL-BNE-SYD (QF) -SIN (BA)
SIN-CMB-MLE (UL)
MLE- DOH-CDG (QR)
CDG-LHR (BA)
EDI-LHR-HEL (BA)
HEL-KTT (AY)
KTT-HEL (AY)-DOH-SIN (QR) -SYD (BA)

(all in J except for CMB-MLE and HEL-KTT return)

I have had a good run with great phone agents who know exactly what I am talking about, have often only been charged 5,000 pts each change, not 5,000 x2 and even had change fees waived once due to the length of time it took to calculate taxes. My phone waits have been long.

I have followed the advice here and NEVER hung up after a change until the phone agent can read me out the new e-ticket number. I encourage everyone else to do the same. This has sometimes been up to an hour extra to wait on the line.

It has been so much research and effort as I was a complete newbie and started my research about a year ago but it has been also fun and I am already clocking up the points to do it again and am actually looking forward to it.

Now to get excited for the actual trip. Haha

 

[DC3]

Thanks! How can I check whether results on the AA website are MileSAAver or Anytime award?

You will see “Business/First MileSAAver” along the top of the screenshots in post # 8301. These screenshots are from the AA website. These are what you are looking for.

In the AA site, once at that page, click on “Business/First MileSAAver” and it will display availability for about a four-week period. The pages can be scrolled left to right, and vv. If MileSAAver is greyed-out along the top, then there is no availability at all for the month that is displayed. Click on any date to proceed to a list of flight details.

Whether you will see similar availability on the QF site for awards in not guaranteed, but it will be a “guide”.

Edit: As you will have now gathered, the screenshot in your post # 8298 is not relevant to MileSAAver availability.