Why OH Y? [Y PAX using J lavatories]

[Vic]

This article sums it up nicely.

Using Business Class Toilets Flying Economy

"Sometimes when I've seen Economy passengers coming for the toilet I've told them to go away. Usually it works, but I shouldn't have to be the one to do that."

www.dmarge.com

“Australian culture is generally egalitarian in nature... However, QF could quickly resolve the discontent and grumbling by either delivering on the implied promise or not making the promise at all. Rules are rules and if the crew are ignoring them, that’s not really acceptable.”

“Forget the toilet. It’s time to hit up the bar.” Hear hear!

The only thing wrong with that commentary is the suggestion that 737 business seats are special and that there is premium whiskey. Chivas! premium?

 

[JohnK]

For those travelling in Y who need to use the toilet more often for medical reasons or have children etc, may I suggest that they sit down the back of the aircraft near the Y toilets. These seats are generally not blocked so should not be too hard to preallocate.

That is one 'problem' easily solved....

Not that simple.

As @suze2000 mentions I feel the movement more down the back and not comfortable on some flights. Claustrophobia is also stronger if I'm down the back and can see the whole cabin in front.

But neither of these is an excuse. It's about using common sense and not assuming that everyone using the front toilet is an entitled wanker that is using something that is for the exclusive use of those who paid more. Actually that's not true either as there are many people in economy paying a lot more for their seat in economy than many in business class.

Also what does it matter to the person in row 1 if the person from row 3 used the toilet or the person in row 4 used the toilet? Both have disturbed you and if you're like me, I have no idea who is sitting where.

At the end of the day it's just a toilet. As long as a queue is not allowed to form then it shouldn't be an issue as we don't know the reasons why that person is using the front toilet instead of the toilet down the back.

 

[kpc]

At the end of the day it's just a toilet. As long as a queue is not allowed to form then it shouldn't be an issue as we don't know the reasons why that person is using the front toilet instead of the toilet down the back.

100% agree

 

[cvmceg]

At the end of the day it's just a toilet. As long as a queue is not allowed to form then it shouldn't be an issue as we don't know the reasons why that person is using the front toilet instead of the toilet down the back.

I agree!

Reading this thread has made me wonder if perhaps the toilet at the front is gold plated and I just wasn't looking at it right ?

 

[SRS65]

I agree!

Reading this thread has made me wonder if perhaps the toilet at the front is gold plated and I just wasn't looking at it right ?

Unfortunately not gold plated - you may be thinking of the Gulf carriers.
It's just a toilet on Qantas which is located in the J cabin for J pax use.
There are 2 more toilets at the rear of the plane for Y pax

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Also what does it matter to the person in row 1 if the person from row 3 used the toilet or the person in row 4 used the toilet? Both have disturbed you and if you're like me, I have no idea who is sitting where.

Because if i’m in row 1 i should only have 8 people going past, not 28

And as previously mentioned, keeping the front WC free for genuine emergencies is a valid point.

 

[Mike65]

Not to mention that people in the economy section will have smellier poo that will stick to the toilet bowl more

 

[Pleb Status]

It is becoming quite clear who the culprits of this 'offence' are....

 

[ozjuice]

If I was someone who really knew due to illness of whatever kind, that I would or could need to use the toilet urgently, I would sit at the back near the toilet. Not row 3 or 4.

 

[SRS65]

If I was someone who really knew due to illness of whatever kind, that I would or could need to use the toilet urgently, I would sit at the back near the toilet. Not row 3 or 4.

Especially if there was a chance the FA may turn me back from the J cabin as should occur.

 

[JohnK]

Because if i’m in row 1 i should only have 8 people going past, not 28

And as previously mentioned, keeping the front WC free for genuine emergencies is a valid point.

Do you actually count how many people go past you to the toilet?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Do you actually count how many people go past you to the toilet?

That’s the thing isn’t it? One or two people and you probably won’t notice. Ten people and it starts to become bothersome.

 

[Zac_AU]

Actually that's not true either as there are many people in economy paying a lot more for their seat in economy than many in business class

I doubt that very much, sounds made up to me. I've rarely seen a flex Y ticket cost more than a sale J ticket.

Also what does it matter to the person in row 1 if the person from row 3 used the toilet or the person in row 4 used the toilet? Both have disturbed you and if you're like me, I have no idea who is sitting where.

It matters when 20 people do it. It also matters more on long haul flights. Honestly couldn't care less on a 1 hour 737 hop.

I can only remember it ever being particularly disturbing once though, and that was purely because an entitled parent thought it'd be appropriate to bring their screaming ~4yo brat to queue for the J toilets (which was about 5 deep) rather than queue at the back, who then proceeded to run up and down the aisle while waiting.

 

[Pleb Status]

It should be noted that some large corporates are getting up to a 40%-50% discount on the fully flexible Y fare. I doubt too many pay the 'full fat' fares published on the QF website.

 

[Quickstatus]

That’s the thing isn’t it? One or two people and you probably won’t notice. Ten people and it starts to become bothersome.

I reckon the cabin crew do apply a (variable) dose of pragmatism in these matters.

#toiletsforall

 

[JohnK]

I doubt that very much, sounds made up to me. I've rarely seen a flex Y ticket cost more than a sale J ticket.

For domestic I believe it's possible to use 10,000 QFF points to upgrade a SYD-BNE flight? Add that on to a $119 flight on special and it's much less than the $189 or $239 I've paid for last minute flights to sit in economy in recent times. There were higher priced flights but there's a limit to what I'd spend on a 1 hour flight and went with opposition instead.

Also that same flight is 16,000 points on an award with ~$42 in taxes. Don't tell me what those points are worth using the value of a full priced business class ticket but tell me what those points cost where someone generates millions of points on business spend, or earns 40,000 points on a cheap Vodafone deal etc.

Or someone else is paying for the flight. Yes @TonyHancock I'll bring tha t up as it's extremely relevant.

I think you get the idea and I've not made up any numbers. Please don't assume that because someone is sitting in the first 3 rows they've have paid more.

 

[Pleb Status]

Please don't assume that because someone is sitting in the first 3 rows they've have paid more.

But they have paid to use the J product/facilities....

#norespect

Edit: removed a very bad typo...

 

[Zac_AU]

I think you get the idea and I've not made up any numbers. Please don't assume that because someone is sitting in the first 3 rows they've have paid more.

The issue is that you are valuing points as nothing. Points have value, and depending on the route it can be quite a swath of points.

I don't get why people get so hung up on higher class cabins and think the advertised benefits of the higher class fares and the expectation of them being enforced make those people snobby. I come from a decidedly working class family and would probably be looked down upon by some of the blue bloods, yet I have no issue with benefits(such as priority boarding, their own toilets, nicer food etc) being extended to business class passengers when I have to travel in economy. If I pay for or redeem a J or F fare, I expect it to be enforced. If i'm travelling in Y, I expect that to be enforced too.

 

[Haplo]

I think each class should use their own toilet unless it meal service, when people should use the one they can reach regardless of the class.

 

[JohnK]

It is becoming quite clear who the culprits of this 'offence' are....

Who are the culprits? Those that use common sense about which toilet to use?