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Any recommendations on a big, bold shiraz?!
Price limit?
If you like them big and bold and don't mind 15.4% a/v, then Hobbs of Barossa Gregor Shiraz 2021 - Red Wine

Mollydookers are big and bold, but I'm a bit wary of 2022 vintage.
I've bought Maverick Ahrens Creek but haven't tried it yet Shiraz 2021 - Black Market Deal #60906 - Red Wine

Maybe Fox Creek Reserve Shiraz 2018 Shiraz 2018 - Black Market Deal #60546 - Red Wine

Various vintages of Mitolo Savitar and GAM

60568 is Neldner Road but it's a lot cheaper at Winestar. ($20)
 
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Any recommendations on a big, bold shiraz?!
Further to my earlier reply. Any Sorby Adams Shiraz, eg 2021 Reverend Canon which despite its reasonable RRP, is carefully crafted from excellent fruit & spent 36 months in fine French oak (although I prefer his St Boniface, actually). Perhaps his might be a bit too smooth for your liking, I dunno. Anything Pirramimma is well made & will pack more punch. Most shiraz from the myriad CW brands is reliable (including Schild, which I can speak for, but also Ivyburn, & Ulithorne with which I'm less familiar). If I was to crudely summarise,, my palate veers towards the rounder versions of Eden/Barossa than McLaren vale Shiraz, though I have a lot of each, & you may prefer the opposite.
 
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Price limit?
If you like them big and bold and don't mind 15.4% a/v, then Hobbs of Barossa Gregor Shiraz 2021 - Red Wine

Mollydookers are big and bold, but I'm a bit wary of 2022 vintage.
I've bought Maverick Ahrens Creek but haven't tried it yet Shiraz 2021 - Black Market Deal #60906 - Red Wine

Maybe Fox Creek Reserve Shiraz 2018 Shiraz 2018 - Black Market Deal #60546 - Red Wine

Various vintages of Mitolo Savitar and GAM

60568 is Neldner Road but it's a lot cheaper at Winestar. ($20)
Good mention, the Powell Neldner Rd on Winestar. It's hard to not find great wines these days.
 
Just an FYI for anyone considering buying the Clarendon Hills Liandra 2004:
Past it IMO.
I have had a few old Clarendon Hills, mainly from Langton's, in the last couple of years and generally been happy enough with them but this one is past it. based on 3 out of 3 opened to date.
 
I had a quick look and consensus was that the recommended drinking window ended over a decade ago...
Yes, agreed to a point - they were a bit mixed from memory.
My experience has been that the Clarendon Hills have a long life. Published drinking windows are often set on release tasting and are guess work so I tend to look for more recent tasting notes on sites like Cellar Tracker when looking at older wines - again mixed for this one.
I suspect the ones that I got (and probably the lot on sale via VM) haven't been perfectly cellared. The cork was red almost to the top and broke when trying to open it on all 3 bottles.
 
The cork was red almost to the top and broke when trying to open it on all 3 bottles.
I've also got a stash of Clarendon back vintages and all the corks have been breaking on me - drives me nuts. The last time I opened one I poured boiling water over the neck of the bottle in an attempt to loosen any adhesive around the cork... which seemed to work as it came out in one piece 😅
 
I've also got a stash of Clarendon back vintages and all the corks have been breaking on me - drives me nuts. The last time I opened one I poured boiling water over the neck of the bottle in an attempt to loosen any adhesive around the cork... which seemed to work as it came out in one piece 😅
You guys need to invest into Ah-So bottle openers

 
I've bought several Clarendon recently from Grays vintage 2001-2003, personally I like them but friends and family not as much as they are a bit jammy / porty. However, all of my corks have been perfect unlike other wines of similar age that have all crumbled (I now own an AH-SO :-) ). Exception being one of them that was corked (Blewitt Springs Grenache 2003) but fortunately I had a second bottle which was fine but a bit sad to see it going down the sink. :-(

I'm curious as to whether this is due to better quality cork or just better cellaring than the other wines. They could possibly have been re-corked but I don't believe so.
 
Just an FYI for anyone considering buying the Clarendon Hills Liandra 2004:
Past it IMO.
I have had a few old Clarendon Hills, mainly from Langton's, in the last couple of years and generally been happy enough with them but this one is past it. based on 3 out of 3 opened to date.
But VM says it is "liquid GOLD!"

I stopped buying older Clarendon Hills as it became like lotto. Some held up amazing (Romas Grenache were usually great), but many were well past it. I find much greater consistency with older Torbreck and Henschke.
 
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So I also tried the 04 Clarendon Hills Liandra and thought it was good but definitely wasn't going to improve any further. Well received by a group of probably 10 people. Can confirm the cork was completely red, probably around 85% or more. Interestingly it wasn't like the cork was saturated and falling apart but more like it had shrunk a little bit and the wine had seeped up the neck.

I will say that the older wines that I have gotten from VM as a whole have been very hit and miss, it's definitely not Clarendon specific. I've bought cases from VM and returned them, purchased again and had same issue #9 returned, then ordered from the winery directly and it's been spot on. Not sure where they're sourcing from but I certainly suspect we are getting some stock which is questionable.

Re the Ah-So, I have a few laying around so am happy to post them out if anyone needs one?
 
So I also tried the 04 Clarendon Hills Liandra and thought it was good but definitely wasn't going to improve any further. Well received by a group of probably 10 people. Can confirm the cork was completely red, probably around 85% or more. Interestingly it wasn't like the cork was saturated and falling apart but more like it had shrunk a little bit and the wine had seeped up the neck.

I will say that the older wines that I have gotten from VM as a whole have been very hit and miss, it's definitely not Clarendon specific. I've bought cases from VM and returned them, purchased again and had same issue #9 returned, then ordered from the winery directly and it's been spot on. Not sure where they're sourcing from but I certainly suspect we are getting some stock which is questionable.

Re the Ah-So, I have a few laying around so am happy to post them out if anyone needs one?
I don’t think anyone but the winery has a few hundred bottles of Liandra 2004 lying around.
 
But VM says it is "liquid GOLD!"

I stopped buying older Clarendon Hills as it became like lotto. Some held up amazing (Romas Grenache were usually great), but many were well past it. I find much greater consistency with older Torbreck and Henschke.
Henschke are great wines but have an ageing limit. Torbreck I used to love but they aren't what they were - change in ownership & winemaker.
The Clarendon Hills do last but as a rule but nothing 20 years old outlasts poor conditions in storage. Maybe the 2004 Liandra just isn't one that made the treck of 20 years or maybe it was the storage but I wouldn't be buying the VM offering FWIW. Just a heads up for anyone considering.
 
Henschke are great wines but have an ageing limit. Torbreck I used to love but they aren't what they were - change in ownership & winemaker.
The Clarendon Hills do last but as a rule but nothing 20 years old outlasts poor conditions in storage. Maybe the 2004 Liandra just isn't one that made the treck of 20 years or maybe it was the storage but I wouldn't be buying the VM offering FWIW. Just a heads up for anyone considering.
Hopefully the limit is generous - I’m opening the 2004 Henschke Mount Edelstone I picked up from Vinomofo for $60 tonight!
 
. Torbreck I used to love but they aren't what they were - change in ownership & winemaker.
When do you think the big change was?
Ownership last changed in 2008.
Dave Powell was kicked out of Torbreck in 2013 and Craig Isbel was chief winemaker from 2006 until about 2016 when Ian Hongell became chief winemaker.
 

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