The Holy Grail - 100% Share Promo Coming???

[VH-OEG]

Hmmm I'm trying to figure out the best way to maximum use...

my account has 60K points , moms account has 2k... I'm keen to transfer to her to maximise bonus then transfer back to me and again maximise bonus... Happy to spend what I need too... Any tips from the very wise of AFF ??

cheers
VH-OEG

 

[shellthom]

Has everyone found their friend who is in need of points?

 

[shellthom]

Hmmm I'm trying to figure out the best way to maximum use...

my account has 60K points , moms account has 2k... I'm keen to transfer to her to maximise bonus then transfer back to me and again maximise bonus... Happy to spend what I need too... Any tips from the very wise of AFF ??

cheers
VH-OEG

would it be best to transfer 49,000 from your account to hers, making it 100,000 even, and then 50k back to yours? you can only received 50k bonus in each account. So you could always just do 50k there and back. It depends on what award you are aiming for.

 

[whole-lotta-moxie]

And it was a reference to the current AA award chart, SWP - Asia 1 being 35k oneway in J.

Thanks BCWorld, got it

 

[MEL_Traveller]

anyone considering a share of miles to someone not sharing the same surname should be prepared for an account audit with the potential for closure and miles seized.

miles are not to be bartered or sold. On the face of it, anyone sharing with a 'stranger' is likely to have received some form of payment.

 

[get me outta here]

Well, something else to worry about in life. However, it would be silly if they thought that 'relatives' all shared the same last name. How does any of this get proved I wonder. Anyhow, thanks for the heads up.

 

[Beta4Me]

anyone considering a share of miles to someone not sharing the same surname should be prepared for an account audit with the potential for closure and miles seized.

miles are not to be bartered or sold. On the face of it, anyone sharing with a 'stranger' is likely to have received some form of payment.

Garbage. Most sisters won't have the same surnames after marriage for example. That's far too big a generalisation to make.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Well, something else to worry about in life. However, it would be silly if they thought that 'relatives' all shared the same last name. How does any of this get proved I wonder.

it happens, and it can happen at any time (not necessarily immediately after the transfer)

you may be asked to provide proof... if you can even get through to talk to them. Most accounts are simply suspended and closed.

the recommendation is to not share with anyone unless they (a) share the same nale or (b) (as you say) are a relative that you can 'prove'

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Garbage. Most sisters won't have the same surnames after marriage for example. That's far too big a generalisation to make.

you have the practical knowledge on this? If you have been around long enough you will know it happens. Not frequently, but it is no longer surprising when we hear it does.

relatives are fine. But it won't necessarily stop the account being audited. And that can take time.

 

[get me outta here]

Fathers/mothers/daughters, brothers/sisters, partners of all types - and there are many, some are even married, some married for the 3rd time, many cultures have completely different names for family members. Perhaps USDM will ask for Sat Decs from around the world signed by the appropriate public notary. On 2nd thoughts, this is one I won't worry about.

 

[rjh666]

anyone considering a share of miles to someone not sharing the same surname should be prepared for an account audit with the potential for closure and miles seized.

miles are not to be bartered or sold. On the face of it, anyone sharing with a 'stranger' is likely to have received some form of payment.

This is untrue. The website explicitly states sharing with "friends" is intended:

"Help friends or family reach their travel goals. Share your Dividend Miles with someone you love!"

 

[diningdecadence]

Show your friends and family that you think the world of them. Share your miles April 7 – 13, 2014 and you’ll give up to 100% more – up to 50,000 bonus miles. The more you share, the more you give



whilst some of us remember shayne and his anecdotes, the rules may have changed now they are oneworld?

 

[burmans]

Garbage. Most sisters won't have the same surnames after marriage for example. That's far too big a generalisation to make.

Mel_Traveller has made these sort of claims before. I have an enhanced family group that includes my wife (whose names isnt the same as mine), mother-in-law (same applies plus she lives at a different address in NZ) and my sisters (who's last names differ from mine and each other and also live in NZ). I have certainly noticed that when transferring to my sisters (who have married names and dont live at my address, in fact not in the same country) the transfer can be slow particular if I transfer from one sister to another using my card. One of the things I have done is add myself on their accounts as being able to manage their accounts and also added our family group members on everyones acounts as "travellers" so they have some sort of indication we might want to travel with these people. In one of my sisters case we have actually met up so US could see that from our history.

So I dont think Mel_Traveller is wrong from the point of view that certain things may attact attention of the fraud dept of points.com or US Air, these include newly created accounts, accounts where the money is transferred to and immediately ticketed (in a 3rd name), different surnames are no doubt a factor as may be different addresses, in my opinion less important but I have no view of how US assess these things.

But I do have a strong problem with the idea that you are guilty until proven otherwise, the share promo encourages us to "Share miles with family and friends April 7 - 13, 2014" and also "Help friends or family reach their travel goals. Share your Dividend Miles with someone you love!". Are any of the conditions about not sharing to someone with a different names or addresses noted in the T&C's? No. If US does not want me to share miles with people who do not share my name or my home address they should not be inducing me to do so by encouraging me to share with family and friends. I have more relatives who do not share my name or address than those that do.

I am not personally that concerned about an audit, I'm a bit more concerned that on occassions US has apparently acted without contacting the affected FF members and then said we wont enter into any further discussion. So while I dont agree with the statement made by Mel_Traveller I do think it pays not to push the boundaries too much here!

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I have not said accounts 'will' be audited. I said they 'may' be audited.

 

[anat0l]

I have not said accounts 'will' be audited. I said they 'may' be audited.

Although there are patterns which can be suggestive to risk audit, merely sharing back and forth with someone with a different surname is hardly sufficient to warrant such immediate and debilitating action.

 

[get me outta here]

What would accounts actually be audited for? I may have shared miles with a newly found 'friend' who became a friend say 2 days ago. All this counts for nought though if they just cancelling the account without warning.

 

[Beta4Me]

What would accounts actually be audited for? I may have shared miles with a newly found 'friend' who became a friend say 2 days ago. All this counts for nought though if they just cancelling the account without warning.

All AFF members are my friends!

 

[MEL_Traveller]

What would accounts actually be audited for? I may have shared miles with a newly found 'friend' who became a friend say 2 days ago. All this counts for nought though if they just cancelling the account without warning.

It depends if they think either of the parties is involved in the buying, selling, brokering, exchanging or bartering of award tickets.

 

[anat0l]

What would accounts actually be audited for? I may have shared miles with a newly found 'friend' who became a friend say 2 days ago. All this counts for nought though if they just cancelling the account without warning.

An 'audit' is usually commenced by freezing the account in question and making it inaccessible to the holder. Staff at call centres, including managers, are usually unable to advise why you've been subjected to an audit.

Audits are supposed to punish those who breach the US DM T&Cs, viz. as said, miles may not (between members) sold or bartered, etc....which I interpret this to mean is if you decide to share miles with someone, it is done with no monetary reward to the source account of the miles. This is supposed to stop people who stockpile miles and then sell them on to people via these promos (or otherwise) like a mileage broking business. Some businesses who claim to sell very cheap Business or First fares supposedly sell consolidator fares, but others also or actually sell frequent flyer tickets in this way, which is a breach.

You can plead your case later, but unless you're possibly prepared to take legal action (or DOT), the onus is frequently on you to prove why your account should not be closed and/or all mileage forfeited.

 

[get me outta here]

Into which camp does sharing 50K + 50K miles with your friend fall? We each buy the miles, seems just fine to me, surely. No barterimg to be seen here.