Sick of Recliners?

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Warks

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You know I never found it a problem with anyone reclining (except during meals) until recent times. That has coincided with me flying a few longer hauls where the seat in front has been reclined within minutes and I haven't been able to watch the IFE. Couldn't get it at an angle I could see it.

Also on SYD-PER flights I have struggled with the laptop- just about impossible to use with a reclined seat.

No way in hell I could sleep in Y without full recline - I struggle then too with all the dehydration and manage a few hours of tortured dozing. As I get older I am finding it more and more difficult. Even in J. I won't take drugs though.
 

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Thats the problem, i also cannot sleep without recline, atleast somewhat anyway. Meals is unfair on people.

Laptops, even the small 12" ones and even without recline in Y is just not going to happen i am afraid. Then again any company flying me whY does not deserve my work at that time. (If you want to watch dvd then fair enough)

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Evan said:
Thats the problem, i also cannot sleep without recline, atleast somewhat anyway. Meals is unfair on people.
Same here. No recline means no sleep for me. My head just keeps flopping forward if the seat is upright.
 

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I took a walk around my Y and WT+ cabin (i was in Y) on the BA flight last night LHR-PVG and during move it was about 50% reclined, after the first movie nearly all people reclined and slept.

I must admit i do like the wings on the QF seats, but the BA flop down style wings on there 777's are also good.

I had reasonably sleep actually, better than i expected.

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rhjames said:
There's a difference - I'll fly Sydney to Europe, arrive midday, and go straight to a meeting for the afternoon. I need to have slept well. I doubt I could do that after 24h in economy upright. Next month I fly to Santiago, and go straight to a meeting on arrival at 1pm. I rely on plenty of sleep and rest on the plane. Of course, I'm not flying economy when I do this.
Not sure whether that is your choice or company policy but there is no way that I will be going to a meeting the same day I arrive at a destination, business class or not. Maybe you do this to spend as little time as possible away from family or home.

For SE Asia I would have to arrive the day/night before any work and for Europe at least one day before any work. All this on company time. If this is not acceptable then I am not available to travel.

Warks said:
You know I never found it a problem with anyone reclining (except during meals) until recent times. That has coincided with me flying a few longer hauls where the seat in front has been reclined within minutes and I haven't been able to watch the IFE. Couldn't get it at an angle I could see it.
I can't wait for the new shell seats to be rolled out throughout the economy cabins. It may inconvenience recliners slightly but it will certainly make the flight a lot more comfortable for non-recliners.

I understand that we all pay money, for different reasons, to sit in a cramped metal tube flying in the sky but just like a recliner has a right to use the recline feature I should have as much right to be entitled to have the space around me available at all times without reclining. And no I should not have to purchase a business class or first class ticket....
 

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JohnK said:
Not sure whether that is your choice or company policy but there is no way that I will be going to a meeting the same day I arrive at a destination, business class or not.

This is my choice. I don't always do it, but if I arrive about midday, I'm happy to have a quick shower and go straight to work after flying business. I'm normally well rested, and the worst thing to do is get to a hotel room and lie down. The inevitable sleep means jet lag. Othewise, what else do I do for the afternoon? For example of I arrive in Northern Europe this time of year - middle of winter, it's not much fun. I want to get back home to the beach ASAP.

It also depends on the type of work. Contract negotiation - no, I want a good night's sleep behind me. Technical issues, presentations, training, no problem, but I want a reclined business seat on long haul.
 

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JohnK said:
but just like a recliner has a right to use the recline feature I should have as much right to be entitled to have the space around me available at all times without reclining.

The catch is that our space entitlements are also behind our seat and reclining is the only way to access it. Not recline lends that space into the next behind.

For the record, I generally forget to recline. :)
 

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Skoogle said:
The catch is that our space entitlements are also behind our seat and reclining is the only way to access it. Not recline lends that space into the next behind.
:)

That's how I see it too. The airline has allocated me space, and given me the means to use it. Who am I to disagree. Ant the person in front of me can recline as ofter an they want. In fact, if they do it during meals, it doesn't seem to worry me.
 

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JohnK said:
I can't wait for the new shell seats to be rolled out throughout the economy cabins. It may inconvenience recliners slightly but it will certainly make the flight a lot more comfortable for non-recliners.

I can't wait to try them, no telling if i will like them, I cant see it affecting all recliners, maybe only the tall ones, otherwise it seems like a good idea.
Did QF ever have any demo seats around at airports to check out or only the new first and skybed ?

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Evan said:
I took a walk around my Y and WT+ cabin (i was in Y) on the BA flight last night LHR-PVG and during move it was about 50% reclined, after the first movie nearly all people reclined and slept.
Half and half. OK that is interesting statistics.

What would have been more interesting is to know how many of those reclining did so because they were forced to recline because the person in front reclined.

Evan said:
I can't wait to try them, no telling if i will like them, I cant see it affecting all recliners, maybe only the tall ones, otherwise it seems like a good idea.
Did QF ever have any demo seats around at airports to check out or only the new first and skybed ?
Not sure about QF but someone did post a review on AFF recently and mentioned that the shell seats were good except that taller people may feel a little discomfort when reclining. If that is the only drawback then I think they will be a success.
 

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rhjames said:
That's how I see it too. The airline has allocated me space, and given me the means to use it. Who am I to disagree. Ant the person in front of me can recline as ofter an they want. In fact, if they do it during meals, it doesn't seem to worry me.

Interesting question as to who's space that is. Given that they ask passengers to not recline during meals suggests it belongs to the person behind, who gets little choice normally in the recliner claiming it!

I am sure in the days when there was more pitch, the issue was less noticeable. But in reducing the pitch to the extent that has happened, I think airlines have failed to consider the recline issue. Maybe the shell seats will be the saviour!
 

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oz_mark said:
Interesting question as to who's space that is. Given that they ask passengers to not recline during meals suggests it belongs to the person behind, who gets little choice normally in the recliner claiming it!
I would argue that the fact that they *ask* implies that it belongs to the person reclining; if it belonged to the person behind, then they would be able to direct that the person doesn't recline

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Dave Noble said:
I would argue that the fact that they *ask* implies that it belongs to the person reclining; if it belonged to the person behind, then they would be able to direct that the person doesn't recline

Dave

I'd have to agee on that. Just the fact that the put a recliner button in the seat surely implies that we can use it.
 

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JohnK said:
Half and half. OK that is interesting statistics.

What would have been more interesting is to know how many of those reclining did so because they were forced to recline because the person in front reclined.

My bet is most reclined because they were more comfortable.
 

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Dave Noble said:
I would argue that the fact that they *ask* implies that it belongs to the person reclining; if it belonged to the person behind, then they would be able to direct that the person doesn't recline

I would suggest they *ask* because you tend to get more compliance than if you direct.
 

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oz_mark said:
I would suggest they *ask* because you tend to get more compliance than if you direct.
Nope.. They ask because they do not have the authority to direct ( other than for take off/landing etc)

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oz_mark said:
Interesting question as to who's space that is. Given that they ask passengers to not recline during meals suggests it belongs to the person behind, who gets little choice normally in the recliner claiming it!

I had always thought that it was to make the meal service easier. Once the meal is down, a reclined seat hasn't bothered me too much.
 

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Brettmcg said:
...or you could just reserve a Bulkhead/Exit row seat! :p

yeah, and on a recent MH flight, I was directly behind the bulkhead/exit row seats. the FAs constantly kept telling me and my neighbour to put our seats up, but consistently neglected the two in front who were the reason we were reclining! They had leg room and were able to recline while the food was being served! How does this work?

Now, i'm a shorty, but this would definately come in handy for those short haul domestic flights where people seem to think it is reasonable to fully recline. IMO, i believe short haul domestic flight reclines should be banned. Sorry if I create controversy here,..
 
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