Sick of Recliners?

[acampbel]

yeah, and on a recent MH flight, I was directly behind the bulkhead/exit row seats. the FAs constantly kept telling me and my neighbour to put our seats up, but consistently neglected the two in front who were the reason we were reclining! They had leg room and were able to recline while the food was being served! How does this work?

Now, i'm a shorty, but this would definately come in handy for those short haul domestic flights where people seem to think it is reasonable to fully recline. IMO, i believe short haul domestic flight reclines should be banned. Sorry if I create controversy here,..

No controversy ..... just blathering from the arrogant elites.

"It's my button so I'm going to push it whenever I can!" - Have you ever heard anything more juvenile from supposed adults??? Good thing they X-ray passengers before flights otherwise it would be carnage in economy. Relying upon etiquette and a sense of fair play may have worked in the past, but in this day and age there is a tendency towards selfishness and greed. I can fully understand why certain airlines solve the problem by installing rigid seats and I would encourage Qantas to also do so.

To confuse the Piers Akerman fan club it could be done subtly by stating that the exit row seats would be made rigid for safety reasons. Then as the 2nd row became popular with the bankers they too would be fixed, and so on until the dregs filtered their way to the back of the plane where they can recline into each other to their hearts content.


Cheers,

Andrew

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[serfty]

All in economy. If I need to sleep I will sleep and as I mentioned earlier the extra 4-6 inches recline makes absolutely no difference. ...

I recline only when endeavoring to sleep, whether in an exit row or not. Most recently in 46H on QF93/QF94 as examples.

Of course, if as a WP, if I snag a row of three to myself I won't be reclining any of them at all.

For me that 100-150mm does indeed help.

 

[acampbel]

OK ... I've calmed down now.

I should state (if I haven't before) that I have absolutely no problem with people who recline to sleep. It is annoying if I'm trying to watch a film or do some work, but if that's the only way they can get comfortable then its just one of the drawbacks of flying economy.

But the attitude that the person in front "owns" half of the airspace in front of me is not one I can relate to. What goes through their tiny little minds when they push the seat back as soon as the seat-belt sign goes off. They can't be oblivious to the impact that has on the comfort of the passenger behind them, or is that the point? Is it perhaps a symptom of a stressed and insecure society, rather than mindless stupidity?

Maybe I should do a poll ...... ask the offenders to tick one of these choices :-

• I reclined because I'm more important than you
• I reclined because I like to push all the buttons
• I reclined because someone else did and I didn't want to miss out
• All of the above
• Oh - I didn't see you there!

Cheers,

Andrew
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[JohnK]

Maybe I should do a poll ...... ask the offenders to tick one of these choices :-

• I reclined because I'm more important than you
• I reclined because I like to push all the buttons
• I reclined because someone else did and I didn't want to miss out
• All of the above
• Oh - I didn't see you there!

It would be nice if you included another option

• I do not recline as I am considerate to my fellow travellers

 

[rhjames]

Maybe I should do a poll ...... ask the offenders to tick one of these choices :-

• I reclined because I'm more important than you
• I reclined because I like to push all the buttons
• I reclined because someone else did and I didn't want to miss out
• All of the above
• Oh - I didn't see you there!.

One more you left out - I reclined because at the time I wanted to rest or sleep, and was much more comfortable reclining.

 

[simongr]

And one final clincher option in this poll

• Recliners and non-recliners will never be able agree on this issue and will brand each other arrogant self centred prigs

 

[drron]

[/list]One more you left out - I reclined because at the time I wanted to rest or sleep, and was much more comfortable reclining.

True.Why does premium economy have more recline than economy and so up the classes with people paying more and more for that extra space?If it was not more comfortable it would be a total waste.

 

[Commuter]

[/list]It would be nice if you included another option

• I do not recline as I am considerate to my fellow travellers

I want another one.

• I do not recline on flights under 2-3 hours as I do not want to be woken up for landing, otherwise I may recline just a bit (1-1.5" so as not to be too annoying to the person behind me but to stop the seat being upright enough for my head to flop forward and hurt my neck) to sleep except during meals.

 

[agfox46]

I want another one.

• I do not recline on flights under 2-3 hours as I do not want to be woken up for landing, otherwise I may recline just a bit (1-1.5" so as not to be too annoying to the person behind me but to stop the seat being upright enough for my head to flop forward and hurt my neck) to sleep except during meals.

Hoping, of course, that the person behind you is not Andrew Campbell

 

[Commuter]

Well if someone behind me happens to be acambel and finds it annoying, then he can let me know

I don't really recline but I like to have the option to do so.

When I think about it, on my last economy class long-haul flight I didn't recline and went to sleep anyway - I made a 'recline' by stuffing a pillow behind my upper back

It worked quite OK.

If someone reclined in front of me, then that's fair enough, except during meals (that just becomes a bit rude). The seat can be reclined and I take it as having been offered to passengers as part of service/facilities, so who am I to tell the person in front of me that he (or she) cannot recline.

One thing I would emphasise: I'd sooner have a recliner-during-meal in front of me than a seat kicker behind me or unruly (esp if noisy) child nearby.

I have no hesitation in reclinig in a shell seat, by the way... no-one to affect, and they usually have a 'worthwhile' recline.

To be blunt, econony seats don't really have sufficiently worthwhile range of recline to improve my comfort level beyond 1-1.5" of recline (likely to be barely perceptible to people behind - most heavier people leaning back will achieve this without actually reclining the seat), so I see it as 'why bother reclining all the way when it makes no difference whether I do it a bit or a lot'. The first 1-1.5" can make some difference if I don't have access to a pillow.

Either way, flying in economy sucks.

 

[acampbel]

Hoping, of course, that the person behind you is not Andrew Campbell

Do I have to state again that if you want to sleep then feel free to recline - I will only ask you to return the seat upright during meals (or takeoff/landing of course). If you have absolutely no intention of sleeping and recline your seat to minimally increase your comfort at the considerable expense of mine ... well .... since I can no longer work or watch a movie I will probably be in and out of my seat constantly and am always curious as to how thin the padding is in the back of economy seats and whether they would make a decent trebuchet.


Cheers,

Andrew

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[rhjames]

One thing I would emphasise: I'd sooner have a recliner-during-meal in front of me than a seat kicker behind me or unruly (esp if noisy) child nearby.
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You have my full agreement on that one. In fact, while I have no problem reclining outside meal times, when I get out of my seat, I make all possible effort not to knock the seat in front in case the person is resting. Woe behold any kid behind me that takes pleasure in kicking my seat. Mothers will whisper their fate in dark places to frighten their children. I get really annoyed at finding a crying baby in business or first, when I have to get off a long haul and go straight to a meeting. To me, these pale reclining into insignificance.

I'm not against babies flying - on more than once I've taken a struggling mother into the business lounge to make her more comfortable between flights. It's just frustrating having a baby nearby on a plane when I've paid for maximum comfort. Surely no-one would deny a mother and baby reclining!!!

 

[Commuter]

I get really annoyed at finding a crying baby in business or first, when I have to get off a long haul and go straight to a meeting. To me, these pale reclining into insignificance.

I can just about handle babies crying when they are still not really conscious enough to control themselves, especially with noise cancelling in-ear earphones on. But young (but old enough to behave) children throwing continuous screaming tantrums near me (or kicking my seat repeatedly) are very annoying. It's their (be it babies or children) parents I get rather annoyed with when they are not making any effort to calm them down despite it being obvious that they are causing other passengers nuisance. I have seen cabin crew asking them to control their children, and they shouldn't need to do that. Most parents are polite and really do their best not to allow their children to cause other people trouble, but some are truly inconsiderate. (I had one nearby that changed the nappy in their seat during meal service and tried to hand the dirty nappy, bare, to a cabin crew - that's pretty rude in my opinion.)

I would rather suffer a mealtime recliner 10 times over than this. At least recliners don't wake me up

 

[agfox46]

.... since I can no longer work or watch a movie I will probably be in and out of my seat constantly and am always curious as to how thin the padding is in the back of economy seats and whether they would make a decent trebuchet.

I'm guessing catapult & not font here!!
Personally, I'd always check on the size & general appearance of anyone in front before I did anything like that - but then Bruce Lee wasn't overly large & looked inoffensive too...

 

[serfty]

Of course, on most Qantas aircraft - there's the directional air vents! :shock:

 

[simongr]

I cant reach the air vents on most aircraft I fly on - and I am not short...

 

[serfty]

I cant reach the air vents on most aircraft I fly on - and I am not short...

Simple, undo your seat belt, grab hold of the reclined seat in front & pull hard on it to stand up. Once you have done this, you can reach the directional vent and carefully aim at where your knees would normally be when seated. You can then sit down, making sure you pull really hard and shake the reclined seat in front as you do so!

Note: Before doing this, I do recommend making a check as suggested by agfox46 in post 134 of this thread.

 

[simongr]

Thankfully this is mostly avoided by flying in lie-flat beds

 

[serfty]

Thankfully this is mostly avoided by flying in lie-flat beds

In which case (in the context of this thread) there is no need to reach the air-vents.

I cant reach the air vents on most aircraft I fly on - and I am not short...

 

[JohnK]

And one final clincher option in this poll

• Recliners and non-recliners will never be able agree on this issue and will brand each other arrogant self centred prigs

Yes but that is half the fun isn't it?

Also the argument becomes redunant when the new shell seats are rolled out. All we will get then is tall recliners complaining that they are not comfortable reclining since the rollout of the new product.