Sick of Recliners?

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  1. bambbbam2

    bambbbam2 Active Member

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  2. Reggie

    Reggie Established Member

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    I foresee a punchup at 36000 feet. Anyone carry cable ties with them?
     
  3. leny

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  4. serfty

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  5. JohnK

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    I try to avoid air rage so I would not go that far trying to protect leg room.
     
  6. Brettmcg

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    ...or you could just reserve a Bulkhead/Exit row seat! :p
     
  7. littl_flier

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    Ok, am I slow but I don't quite understand how these work.

    They look like they could be a stun gun device. ;) Now that would make things interesting at 40k feet.
     
  8. Mal

    Mal Enthusiast

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    As Serfty commented, this has been discussed over at FT quite a bit.

    It is my understanding that most US airlines have banned their use, but not sure about Qantas.

    Basically it works by blocking the tray table from moving as part of the recline process. It's hard to conceptualise, but I've seen demonstrations of it working before.

    Don't forget (if you want to use it) your "Courtesy Card"™" to give to the pax infront :D

    Or their generic suggestion for a courtesy card:
     
  9. Harriet Vane

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    If someone handed me a passive aggressive piece of paper like that, I'd be tempted to recline my seat for the entire trip. People don't like passive aggressiveness and like it even less in smarmy note form.

    Who wins out in a duel of body discomfort? If it is a question of my back pain versus your knee pain, I'm going to look after myself first, sorry.
     
  10. Keith009

    Keith009 Established Member

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    Not another thread about seat recline...;)

    I'd just get an FA involved if someone tries that trick on me. Better than a mid air punch up and getting arrested. IME whenever an FA is involved, because of a complaint from either the recliner (ie me ;)) or the person being reclined into, the FA will take the side of the recliner. ;) [I don't recline during meal times though :)]
     
  11. SeaWolf

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    The card is just stupid, the thing to do would be to clip them on and say nothing. The passenger in front will most likely conclude the seat is broken and there'll be no confrontation. They aren't going to climb up on the seat, lean over and start examining your tray table for plastic clips.

    In the end, if the airlines (the real culprits here) are going to keep reducing the seat pitch in economy they're going to have to design seats that simply don't recline backwards, like CX has done. That would solve the problem once and for all.
     
  12. NM

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    Why do people blame the airlines for reducing the leg room between seats. Its not the airlines' fault, its the fault of the passengers that keep demanding cheaper and cheaper fares which forces the airlines to reduce the seat pitch so they can fit in the extra row of seats so they can remain profitable while selling the rock-bottom fares.
     
  13. Reggie

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    I, by accident, found a great way to stop someone in J from reclining. Those with the in arm rest tables that are able to swiveled, can swivel the table around, and it allows only a partial recline of the seat in front:)
     
  14. If you want a First (or business) class seat, buy a First (or business) class ticket. Otherwise, accept that you are flying cheap, and accept that people are going to recline into your space as easily as you can recline into the space of the person behind you. Don't pay less than AUD$2K for a ticket from SYD to LHR and expect 50" of legroom. Be realistic about what the money you spend can buy you, and don't selfishly deprive another pax of a little more comfort just because you think you are the only Y pax who should enjoy a couple of inches of extra legroom. Otherwise, you're just a puerile d*ckhead, and you deserve any bad karma that comes your way.
     
  15. Commuter

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    I can honestly say that I'm not that fussed about it if the passenger in front on me reclines his/her seat, as long as they put it up during meal time.

    As far as I'm concerned, it's their right to recline the seat if it reclines.

    I, on the other hand, prefer not to recline my seat while in economy class so as not to have to be woken up to put my seatback upright for meals/landing. To me, a bit of recline isn't worth being owken up. When it reclines a lot, then it becomes worthwhile for me to do it...
     
  16. simongr

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    I dont mind recliners too much - I just get irked when in J the recline prevents me from opening up my laptop on a 2 hour flight.
     
  17. clifford

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    Well, having just travelled 30 hours in Y on UA (SIN-HKG-SFO-SYD - don't ask), if someone had tried to stop my seat from its small recline I would have killed them (then pled insanity). The fact that I had an exit row seat was academic.

    If seats are able to recline then they should be able to be used when legally permitted. If you don't like it, fly Ryanair (or better still, don't fly at all).

    :)
     
  18. acampbel

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    I don't think it was , Mr Clifford. You are quite happy to reduce the already limited space of the person behind you for no reason except that it is "legally permitted". You are like the complete toss-pots at the football who have a front-row seat but insist upon standing up just when a goal/try is about to be scored - thus insuring everyone else has to do the same.

    Actually a far better solution would be if people like you didn't fly at all.


    Cheers,

    Andrew
     
  19. Dave Noble

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    The seat is designed to allow the person sitting to recline, so no reason whatsoever not to recline. It has no similarity to a football game where someone stops using the seat altogether

    Dave
     
  20. acampbel

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    Sorry Dave - I have to disagree. It is legal for someone to stand up whenever they want (how else do you go and get a beer?). It is just antisocial to do it so that you can get a better view whilst inconveniencing the 50 rows behind you.

    I think as a safety enhancement the exit rows should be non-reclining. It will just be a happy coincidence that this will inconvenience the arrogant bankers who use them to assert their superiority over their fellow passengers.


    Cheers,

    Andrew
     
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