Should I stay or should I go (EuroZone)

[MEL_Traveller]

Marki are you from Europe? Just wondering why you have these deep concerns?

 

[esseeeayeenn]

They didn't even try to talk to Monis. In fact they made a decision not to, based on their assessment of him as a terrorist.
There may well have been a different outcome had they tried, but we will never know.

 

[marki]

Marki are you from Europe? Just wondering why you have these deep concerns?

You would now the answer to the question if you saw what was happening around the world....Europe will never be the same never. So of course my concerns are deep. I should also be allowed to express my views as last time I looked Australia was a free country and Media was not censured. Have you lived in a country where media had been censured? I have. I love the truth. I hate Political Correctness when it goes made.......In the end you always offend. You can MEL_Traveller not like my views and disagree completely but I say good on you .....not plant a bomb in your back yard.............stop

A report released on Wednesday by the Institute of Economics and Peace said Islamic State and Boko Haram were responsible for half of all global deaths attributed to terrorism in 2015. Boko Haram killed more people than IS).

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It is surprising how some have expressed their views in wanting this post closed down....we shall not be turning another cheek this time.
(I won't mention names they know who they are)

 

[Renato1]

It transpires that when we came home last week from our three month European vacation that our family and friends had been chuckling about our trip.
We were sending back photos via Facebook of the places we were staying at - and they were coinciding exactly with news stories here.

When we were in Budapest, the news stories here were all about refugees at the train station. We had walked past it several times, and never saw anything awry.

When we were in Munich, the stories were about refugees there. We never saw any.

Then we drove through Slovenia and Croatia at the same time that newspapers said hoardes were marching through those places. We didn't know about it, saw nothing unusual.

When we stayed in Salzburg, it was in front of the main station at the Ramada Hotel - and there was a huge tent structure set up in front of the station for refugees. We didn't see any there either.

Though just before we left Italy, I was watching the local news, and the mayor of Padova (about 30km south of where we were staying) was saying there was no way he could look after the 6000 registered refugees that were now put in tents in the middle of his town, not to mention the many thousands of other unregistered ones. Padova has a population of 214,000 people.
I couldn't follow the entiriety of what was said, though locals later told me that towns had been allocated numbers of refugees by the central government, which they had to take care of. But we didn't see any of them either.
Regards,
Renato

 

[MEL_Traveller]

You would now the answer to the question if you saw what was happening around the world....Europe will never be the same never. So of course my concerns are deep. I should also be allowed to express my views as last time I looked Australia was a free country and Media was not censured. Have you lived in a country where media had been censured? I have. I love the truth. I hate Political Correctness when it goes made.......In the end you always offend. You can MEL_Traveller not like my views and disagree completely but I say good on you .....not plant a bomb in your back yard.............stop

A report released on Wednesday by the Institute of Economics and Peace said Islamic State and Boko Haram were responsible for half of all global deaths attributed to terrorism in 2015. Boko Haram killed more people than IS).

Read more: 'No sniping' Tony Abbott's pot shots at Malcolm Turnbull plumb new low | afr.com
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It is surprising how some have expressed their views in wanting this post closed down....we shall not be turning another cheek this time.
(I won't mention names they know who they are)

Of course you are entitled to an opinion, but the question is your connection to the situation. How and why is it affecting you? If you are German for example, or from one of the countries accepting refugees, it puts your concerns in context. But if you have no nexus, what is the purpose of your posts? To stop us going to Europe?

There is no reason to expect any country in the world to 'stay the same' or be the same as it was for the last 10, 20 or 100 years. Australia is very different to what it was 50 years ago. Europe has a long history, it has constantly changed. Do I think this current issue is going to change it to the point where civilisation ends? No I don't. As a European citizen what can I do? It is what it is. We have to deal with it. Constantly posting negative comments, without proposing a solution or proposed line of action that you want people to take doesn't promote rational thinking. It potentially instills fear, and there is enough of that as it it.

The issue of press censorship, not sure how that is relevant here. But yes I have lived in a country where the press is censored. While I had the luxury to leave the country regularly, I didn't really find it a major issue. In fact it was quite the reverse, it was incredibly calming. No media beat-ups, no creation of fear.

 

[marki]

Of course you are entitled to an opinion, but the question is your connection to the situation. How and why is it affecting you? If you are German for example, or from one of the countries accepting refugees, it puts your concerns in context. But if you have no nexus, what is the purpose of your posts? To stop us going to Europe?

There is no reason to expect any country in the world to 'stay the same' or be the same as it was for the last 10, 20 or 100 years. Australia is very different to what it was 50 years ago. Europe has a long history, it has constantly changed. Do I think this current issue is going to change it to the point where civilisation ends? No I don't. As a European citizen what can I do? It is what it is. We have to deal with it. Constantly posting negative comments, without proposing a solution or proposed line of action that you want people to take doesn't promote rational thinking. It potentially instills fear, and there is enough of that as it it.

The issue of press censorship, not sure how that is relevant here. But yes I have lived in a country where the press is censored. While I had the luxury to leave the country regularly, I didn't really find it a major issue. In fact it was quite the reverse, it was incredibly calming. No media beat-ups, no creation of fear.

Of course your entitled to an opinion too, but why the fixation with my personal connection or my nexus to the situation. My purpose is clear and its to be well informed. I am asking a question albeit a very general one aimed at Eurozone travel.

This situation is in constant change as you see yourself. It is scary and it's no good putting your head n the sand and ignoring it. In regards to your comment on my "Constantly posting negative comments" This is an opinion .... I say good on you .... But I don't agree what is so positive about the Paris attacks? Commenting on negative happenings is not constantly posting negative comments. You are allowed to interpret the line Should I stay or should I go..... as you like but you already know the answer....you can take that emotional baggage and fear with you.

What is your nexus here MEL_Traveller? Where is it written that I must post solutions to the World problems or a proposed line of action? I am not a dictator/politician. Hey unsubscribe yourself nobody forcing you to read!
I fear for the World there is not much I can do about it, but hey I found writing a charm.

Hats off to ​

Andrew Neil,

the British journalist and anchor of BBC One’s late-night political show ​

This Week,

who stuck it to the Islamic State in his introduction to the show with a cadenza of righteous vituperation that is up there with the best of ​

Jon Stewart.
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015...1&spJobID=802002856&spReportId=ODAyMDAyODU2S0

 

[marki]

[h=1]Paris terror attack: Husband pays touching tribute to 'love of his life' in defiant message to attackers[/h]

“Friday night, you took an exceptional life - the love of my life, the mother of my son - but you will not have my hatred. I don't know who you are and I don't want to know, you are dead souls. If this God, for whom you kill blindly, made us in his image, every bullet in the body of my wife would have been one more wound in his heart.
So, no, I will not grant you the gift of my hatred. You're asking for it, but responding to hatred with anger is falling victim to the same ignorance that has made you what you are. You want me to be scared, to view my countrymen with mistrust, to sacrifice my liberty for my security. You lost.I saw her this morning. Finally, after nights and days of waiting. She was just as beautiful as when she left on Friday night, just as beautiful as when I fell hopelessly in love over 12 years ago. Of course I am devastated by this pain, I give you this little victory, but the pain will be short-lived. I know that she will be with us every day and that we will find ourselves again in this paradise of free love to which you have no access.We are just two, my son and me, but we are stronger than all the armies in the world. I don't have any more time to devote to you, I have to join Melvil who is waking up from his nap. He is barely 17-months-old. He will eat his meals as usual, and then we are going to play as usual, and for his whole life this little boy will threaten you by being happy and free. Because no, you will not have his hatred either.”

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I fear for the World there is not much I can do about it, but hey I found writing a charm.

That is a different issue... not 'whether you should go to Europe'... but more a general feeling of unease about the way they world is today? And writing helps you to share your concern?

To be honest, I don't think the current state of the world is any worse than it was previously. In fact I think it's better. Growing up during the Cold War there was a very real fear of nuclear war. That would have caused world-wide devastation had it occurred. Thankfully we never got to that stage, but the fear was much more real than isolated terror attacks.

In the history of humankind we have never had a good record of being very nice to each other. There's pretty much been a war going on somewhere since the beginning of time. We've had a long line of dictators do (still doing) unspeakable things. Western 'democracies' are often no better. An isolated terror attack doesn't mean the end is nigh. It didn't eventuate after 9-11.

Take a leaf out of the book of those living in Paris and France. They are defiant. They are signing in the streets. They're not going to let this get to them.

 

[drron]

Well I also grew up with the cold war.Concerned,yes.but frightened,no.
This however scares me-

Hakim al-Zamili, the head of the Iraqi parliament’s security and defence committee said: "Daesh [Isis] is working very seriously to reach production of chemical weapons, particularly nerve gas. That would threaten not just Iraq but the whole world."
On Thursday, the French prime minister warned Isis could arm itself with biological and chemical weapons in future terror attacks on Europe.

Isis 'aggressively pursuing development of chemical weapons', say Iraqi and US officials | Middle East | News | The Independent

 

[marki]

The Schengen system of open borders was already under pressure. The latest terrorist attacks may end it

For those doubting any Change ......

 

[marki]

The Schengen system of open borders was already under pressure. The latest terrorist attacks may end it sorry about double posting

 

[MEL_Traveller]

The Schengen system of open borders was already under pressure. The latest terrorist attacks may end it sorry about double posting

See I don't see that as being such a major issue in the grand scheme of things. If Europe is supposedly 'at war' what do we expect? Life will have to have some short term changes, but it will go back to normal.

 

[marki]

See I don't see that as being such a major issue in the grand scheme of things. If Europe is supposedly 'at war' what do we expect? Life will have to have some short term changes, but it will go back to normal.

Very contra opinion but it is a big deal when queuing up for hours to go through a border crossing after having been either flying and then driving

 

[esseeeayeenn]

The Schengen system of open borders was already under pressure. The latest terrorist attacks may end it sorry about double posting

The Schengen agreement contains the provision for it to be suspended temporarily in times of crisis.
It is flexible enough to cope with this incident without collapsing.
They will not allow it to collapse because of the enormous economic impact.
We only consider the impact on tourists, but open internal borders have allowed a vast network of transnational supply chains to develop.
When you sit down to breakfast you could be eating fresh produce from half a dozen countries.
The collapse of the Schengen agreement would be devestating for European businesses.

 

[marki]

The Schengen agreement contains the provision for it to be suspended temporarily in times of crisis.
It is flexible enough to cope with this incident without collapsing.
They will not allow it to collapse because of the enormous economic impact.
We only consider the impact on tourists, but open internal borders have allowed a vast network of transnational supply chains to develop.
When you sit down to breakfast you could be eating fresh produce from half a dozen countries.
The collapse of the Schengen agreement would be devestating for European businesses.

I like your thinking .... The crystal ball is hazy at the moment it still may yet surprise us

 

[legroom]

Some posts ask for 'a plan' to go forward

Ms Ali, a Harvard fellow, had some good ideas

http://www.wsj.com/articles/europes-terrorist-war-at-home-1447626449

(Bad) Ideas must be fought with (good) ideas & facts.

 

[drron]

One thing that is not being factored in is the reaction of Europeans.The countries are democracies so the people get a say.
Have a look at opinion polls-virtually everywhere there is a huge swing to Parties opposing immigration-and no it doesn't mean a swing to the right as there are a couple of left wing parties that have come out against immigration and they are doing well in the polls.
At the Danish elections this year the Socialists had managed the country well yet at the election the largest party was the anti-immigration party.Hardly any other policies.
In France the opinion polls have President Hollande running third so he would not make it to the runoff election-it could be between Sarkozy and Le Pen.
And the one thing you can say about any politician-self interest comes first.Prepare to see a few about faces in European politics.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

I don't think Sarkozy will be eligible.

 

[drron]

I don't think Sarkozy will be eligible.

But the opinion polls have had an alternative from his party if that occurs and Hollande does even worse so I think he hopes Sarkozy does run.

 

[amaroo]

The Chinese don't muck about.

Flamethrower used to flush out militants in China’s Xinjiang region, says state media | South China Morning Post