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Qantas First Class "Nothing more than a premium business class"

Rick93

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The author didn't quite get the 'nailing to a cross' that I did for daring to state the obvious .....
 

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I've done all of the above except pay full fare. I avoid paying RRP for anything, houses, cars, furniture... right down to movie tickets.
Yes I am a bargain hunter as well - although I suspect not as much as you - getting too old to waste the time :)

I guess the point I was making was the more the F cabin is filled with “discount” tickets, whether that is cash discounts or award or upgrades, the more the luxury is going to be watered down.

Other airlines have started going down the path of smaller F cabins but more luxury. Qantas is keeping full sized F cabins, but delivering J+ standard. You get the feeling that Qantas F is more there to provide incentives and awards to its FF base than any commitment to deliver a true F product.
 

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So, how do Qantas view it. From their Business blurb:

"Qantas’ Dreamliner carries 236 passengers across three cabins. It features the latest version of the airline’s Business Suite, nicknamed “mini First Class” by some frequent flyers, "

So, how do you spin it. First Class is Premium Business Class, or Business is Mini First Class. I think Qantas has positioned it that way....
There is no way that the Dreamliner J is mini first - spin from their marketing department :) :)
 

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I prefer the 2-3A/K in I ever get the change again in QF F.
None of the QF F are privacy plus, thats just not the style of the cabin.

I actually prefer the more open plan Skybed J cabin than the new J suite A330/B787 which feels a bit cooped up.

In any case each traveller is entitled to examine the value of each ticket purchase and there are choices if not up to their expectation. In the end it's the customer's expectations that the airline has to balance against financial realities.
Love Champagne class especially if it had a modern twist to it.
 

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Yes I am a bargain hunter as well - although I suspect not as much as you - getting too old to waste the time :)

I guess the point I was making was the more the F cabin is filled with “discount” tickets, whether that is cash discounts or award or upgrades, the more the luxury is going to be watered down.

Other airlines have started going down the path of smaller F cabins but more luxury. Qantas is keeping full sized F cabins, but delivering J+ standard. You get the feeling that Qantas F is more there to provide incentives and awards to its FF base than any commitment to deliver a true F product.
I like my QFF points, but I'm growing to love my KF miles and Amex points more :)

I'm a recent convert to SQ, but from what I can see access to suites / F is wide open to award flyers 24/7. I had no worries booking CDG-SIN-SYD suites for two - four weeks out from flying. Will be interesting to see if we like it ... try doing that with QF without P1 or CL printed on your card.
 
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Sorry, but when you trash a genuine designer brand that an airline has chosen to use, it seems to me that it becomes a matter of personal taste.
'A genuine designer brand'. o_O:eek::rolleyes:. Has that got anything in common with 'cutlery you eat in air meals with'?

That's what QF send to deliver - pretention - without the accompanying (First) Class.
 

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It’s funny peoples personal preferences. I flew CX’s First and the staff were circulating in high rotation offering everything from constant water top ups to the pilots first born! It was incredibly distracting! I’d much prefer after service they retire and be on call, maybe with one lap to clear every 30 mins but that’s my personal preference :)
My first and only experience in CX F was similar. The CS told us on boarding she wanted to treat us like royalty for the whole flight and was such a delightful lady that I didn’t have the heart to tell her I just wanted to sit back, watch a movie and enjoy a few JW Blues.
I do find that even in J CX tend to be far more attentive than most others I’ve travelled on, sometimes a bit too much
 

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Surely in F Qantas need not concern themselves with the weight of cutlery given the few that fly in that class?
 

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Surely in F Qantas need not concern themselves with the weight of cutlery given the few that fly in that class?
I'm probably not paying enough attention (for good reason!), but isn't the cutlery in F the same as J?
 

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I'm probably not paying enough attention (for good reason!), but isn't the cutlery in F the same as J?
Funny thing. I’ve never flown international in Qantas J other than to Bali. Surely that doesn’t count? I tried getting J award from Honololu in June - Nada - and from Singapore in January next year and only option was F! Award of course for me not revenue! Other than taxes....

I suppose it's only a matter of time before some start complaining about the dunny paper....
Well that is explainable given plumbing concerns. I’ve had worse. India. Sri Lanka. Indonesia. Shopping centers here.
 

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It’s funny peoples personal preferences. I flew CX’s First and the staff were circulating in high rotation offering everything from constant water top ups to the pilots first born! It was incredibly distracting! I’d much prefer after service they retire and be on call, maybe with one lap to clear every 30 mins but that’s my personal preference :)
I could not agree more and although I like F in CX, SQ and EK at times I find them to be so attentive it becomes annoying. In my experience JL has got the balance right.:)
 

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We could do with some new flatware at home maybe I should start collecting it (not likely, only kidding) however the office flatware goes missing on a regular basis. :(:confused::rolleyes:
 
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They do/did on JAL and ANA.:)

As an edit it is not a seperate bidet just more buttons to operate the bum washer/dryer.
 
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