Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

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A countdown to border openings could be the push they need :)
Before we get to that though they'd probably need to open vaccinations to all adults so that every adult that wants one has plenty of opportunity to get vaccinated before borders reopen. I'd have already got vaccinated if allowed, but I doubt I'll be allowed to get vaccinated for months.
 

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Before we get to that though they'd probably need to open vaccinations to all adults so that every adult that wants one has plenty of opportunity to get vaccinated before borders reopen. I'd have already got vaccinated if allowed, but I doubt I'll be allowed to get vaccinated for months.
very true
 

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So some confirmation that eradication is on at least some pollies radar.
I posted that I had emailed my local MHR re the Indefinite closure a while ago.Got a reply today which included this.
"I think many people would agree that a timetable for vaccinated people to travel abroad would be fantastic.
Unfortunately, both domestic and global health advice is that this would support neither containment nor eradication of the virus, let alone accurately estimable, without a quicker uptake of the vaccine."

I replied quoting Drs Coatsworth and Sutton.
 

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So some confirmation that eradication is on at least some pollies radar.
I posted that I had emailed my local MHR re the Indefinite closure a while ago.Got a reply today which included this.
"I think many people would agree that a timetable for vaccinated people to travel abroad would be fantastic.
Unfortunately, both domestic and global health advice is that this would support neither containment nor eradication of the virus, let alone accurately estimable, without a quicker uptake of the vaccine."

I replied quoting Drs Coatsworth and Sutton.
so what are they doing to address the need for quicker uptake? it is false that there is nothing they can do. The fact that the virus is non-existent means that they don't have to make entry requirements to sports stadiums/museums contingent on a vaccine but maybe that is exactly what needs to be done. Or they need some other ideas. They have thrown so much money around in terms of job keepers, maybe offer some kind of tax incentive which can be rationalized re: tourist dollars/international business needs. They need to get creative.
 

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Cannot jab someone who is infected - if they are testing because they think they might be, this doesn't work...

Hmmm... I see the recommendation for people with covid is to delay their vaccine, but that's on the basis that they are contagious and could infect others at the vaccination centre. But if everyone is lining up for a routine test, can you actually have the vaccine if you are in the early stages of infection? (before symptoms). There is no requirement for a negative test before getting the jab.
 
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It’s to prevent lockdowns and state border closures. It’s to stop disruptions caused by being at an exposure site and spending hours lining up to get tested, then some sort of isolation period. It’s about having your grandparents around for dinner or more than 5 or 10 people at a gathering. It’s about being able to hold your wedding where, when, and with how many people you want. It’s so that if you do get covid, you hopefully won’t get seriously sick. It’s so you can go to your footy game.

And if you’re not doing it for yourself, you may wish to do it for your partner and family, so that you don’t end up without an income.

All of that is clear to me and pretty much all of us here in the UK and the EU. I have been trying to get the jab and thankfully got my first dose last week. However, the fact that people in Australia don't want to get it is one of the main reasons the rollout is an utter shambles.

Messaging here in the UK is literally 24/7 and sometimes I'm surprised because I look around and I think "is all of this needed? everyone here is desperate for the vaccine" - but that is the difference between here or the US and Australia. The government in Australia has totally mucked this up.

Vaccines are not easy and not fun (I for one have a huge phobia of needles), which is why people need an incentive. That incentive needs to be clear and relevant. Then that message needs to be repeated daily and via all forms of media, social media and any other forms of communication possible.
 

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All of that is clear to me and pretty much all of us here in the UK and the EU. I have been trying to get the jab and thankfully got my first dose last week. However, the fact that people in Australia don't want to get it is one of the main reasons the rollout is an utter shambles.

Messaging here in the UK is literally 24/7 and sometimes I'm surprised because I look around and I think "is all of this needed? everyone here is desperate for the vaccine" - but that is the difference between here or the US and Australia. The government in Australia has totally mucked this up.

Vaccines are not easy and not fun (I for one have a huge phobia of needles), which is why people need an incentive. That incentive needs to be clear and relevant. Then that message needs to be repeated daily and via all forms of media, social media and any other forms of communication possible.

So when you outlined all those reasons, your friends still laughed? Or did they acknowledge there was potentially some benefit? If they still don't see the benefits it could be a tough sell for the government :(

It would appear your friends' willingness to get the vaccine could have a direct impact on your ability to return to Australia with fewer restrictions.
 

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Hmmm... I see the recommendation for people with covid is to delay their vaccine, but that's on the basis that they are contagious and could infect others at the vaccination centre. But if everyone is lining up for a routine test, can you actually have the vaccine if you are in the early stages of infection? (before symptoms). There is no requirement for a negative test before getting the jab.
you are correct that there is no requirement, but I definitely recall reading that if you have covid you don't want the vaccine while infected (beyond just being a risk to others) - similar to the ban on getting the covid vaccine within 2 weeks on either side of flu job (here in Aus)
 

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All of that is clear to me and pretty much all of us here in the UK and the EU. I have been trying to get the jab and thankfully got my first dose last week. However, the fact that people in Australia don't want to get it is one of the main reasons the rollout is an utter shambles.

Messaging here in the UK is literally 24/7 and sometimes I'm surprised because I look around and I think "is all of this needed? everyone here is desperate for the vaccine" - but that is the difference between here or the US and Australia. The government in Australia has totally mucked this up.

Vaccines are not easy and not fun (I for one have a huge phobia of needles), which is why people need an incentive. That incentive needs to be clear and relevant. Then that message needs to be repeated daily and via all forms of media, social media and any other forms of communication possible.
Its like i said a few days back mate, no travel, no covid = no carrot / no stick.

Need a timeline and a promise that 'if you do x, you get y like a good little citizen with rights'
 

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I don’t see why we can’t set vaccination targets with opening steps for each of them. Ok, don’t put a date on it, but put a vaccination level and the benefits of it. There’s the carrot.
 

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Targets are not going to happen with an election in the offing. Too much political flack if not achieved.

Better strategy is to have a couple of attack dogs (ministers) keep on putting out views contrary to current public opinion and take a role as PM to shut those views down and seemingly bring ministers into line, until such time as the attack dogs have persuaded the public to change its mind.
 

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Targets are not going to happen with an election in the offing. Too much political flack if not achieved.

Better strategy is to have a couple of attack dogs (ministers) keep on putting out views contrary to current public opinion and take a role as PM to shut those views down and seemingly bring ministers into line, until such time as the attack dogs have persuaded the public to change its mind.
Once he wins the election.................................
 

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So when you outlined all those reasons, your friends still laughed? Or did they acknowledge there was potentially some benefit? If they still don't see the benefits it could be a tough sell for the government :(

It would appear your friends' willingness to get the vaccine could have a direct impact on your ability to return to Australia with fewer restrictions.

I didn't outline those reasons, I'm just highlighting quick conversations I've had. I don't sit there explaining every reason to get the vaccine - that is the job of the government and their experts. I know you defend the government and for some reason think they're perfect - let me guess: you blame the issues in the vaccine rollout with the general public too?

You sit there and say "it's a tough sell for the government" which is kind of ridiculous IMO. Scomo keeps coming out and saying we are worried about how effective the vaccine is in reducing transmission and makes me people think twice about getting the vaccine. General levels of vaccine hesitancy has always been much higher in the EU/US than Australia - yet the governments are well on track here to achieve their targets while in Australia it is nothing short of a disaster.

Maybe check your government before you turn around and blame others you have never met for the government's failings.
 

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I don’t see why we can’t set vaccination targets with opening steps for each of them. Ok, don’t put a date on it, but put a vaccination level and the benefits of it. There’s the carrot.
It is only a carrot for those who care about the "benefits" - they need to craft benefits that appeal to a large portion of the population (money? event attendance?). I suspect that the desire to travel as soon as "safe" does not actually capture that many.
 

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It is only a carrot for those who care about the "benefits" - they need to craft benefits that appeal to a large portion of the population (money? event attendance?). I suspect that the desire to travel as soon as "safe" does not actually capture that many.

You get a lot of carrots in a bag for $2... they can find other uses
 

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You get a lot of carrots in a bag for $2... they can find other uses
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I really need to stop watching these interviews and news reports, beating the drum for how strong the people are, while dodging ducking diving and slinking past any meaningful answers like an absolute moral coward

the only thing that is good about this is that it really would incentivize more people to get a vaccination sooner rather than later which is good for all of us waiting for the borders to loosen
 

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I really need to stop watching these interviews and news reports, beating the drum for how strong the people are, while dodging ducking diving and slinking past any meaningful answers like an absolute moral coward

the only thing that is good about this is that it really would incentivize more people to get a vaccination sooner rather than later which is good for all of us waiting for the borders to loosen
Travel is one aspect of it. But then they need to add more. Not wearing masks, attending the theatre, sitting in the pokies room... we need to follow the Israelis to ensure vaccination provides positive benefits
totally agree - I say that elsewhere in a post - they need to find ways to truly motivate the population in general so that even those who have no interest in travel see that to live a normal life, they need a vaccination
 

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All of that is clear to me and pretty much all of us here in the UK and the EU. I have been trying to get the jab and thankfully got my first dose last week. However, the fact that people in Australia don't want to get it is one of the main reasons the rollout is an utter shambles.

Messaging here in the UK is literally 24/7 and sometimes I'm surprised because I look around and I think "is all of this needed? everyone here is desperate for the vaccine" - but that is the difference between here or the US and Australia. The government in Australia has totally mucked this up.

Vaccines are not easy and not fun (I for one have a huge phobia of needles), which is why people need an incentive. That incentive needs to be clear and relevant. Then that message needs to be repeated daily and via all forms of media, social media and any other forms of communication possible.
To be totally blunt:
- how many people have died from covid19 in the UK in the past 6 months?
- how many people have died from covid19 in the US in the past 6 months?
- how many people have died from covid19 in Europe in the past 6 months?

Then, how many people have died from covid19 in Australia in the past 6 months?

There's your clear and relevant incentive!

In your opinion things may be an utter shambles, or totally mucked up. I believe otherwise. And having travelled to all of the states and territories except Tassie in the past six months, had plenty of family occasions and been able to play my favourite sports over the summer, I'm content with that belief. Sure, going on a planned overseas holiday last year would have been great and I'll be getting whichever vaccination is offered when it's my turn; no rush.

I also believe the glass is half full. YMMV.
 

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