Predictions of when international flights may resume/bans lifted

dajop

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The domestic tourism industry is booming, prices are up across the board and people are paying them so the impact is not as big as suggested.

The takings from Airbnb/Stayz bookings at our holiday home on the coast SW of a Melbourne are about 45% higher for this Feb-June vs 2019 (we excluded Jan as it’s always heavily booked). Anecdotal but not just a rounding error.
 

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The domestic tourism industry is booming, prices are up across the board and people are paying them so the impact is not as big as suggested.
Yup...I happen to find myself between jobs in June with a week break. Being in Melbourne obvs I look north in June!

Flights are OK and not outrageous but the availability and price of accommodation (and the standard of remaining accomm in some places) is fairly horrendous. And then there's car hire which is generally running at about $200/day in Cairns & Darwin. I checked in on Broome and the Cable Beach resort has a pop-up saying its fully booked until October!

I also found that I could get myself to Darwin and compromise on hotel there was literally no tours available to book out to the national parks...looking for a 3 day option, not a day trip. I understand there are also all kinds of labour shortages, particularly affecting the tropical locations. In the end I'm going to FNQ...the resort I am staying at in Port Douglas is only operating the restaurant 5 days a week due to 'severe labour shortages'. I'm told this is also a problem at the venues in town...presumably this is due to zero working holidaymakers left in the country.

Anyway, a bit of a digression...maybe the masses will get more upset by the impact on domestic holiday prices!
 

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Each week I walk through the centre of Surfers Paradise - Surfers Paradise Blvd - on the Gold Coast.

Last week I counted the numbers of shops/cafes open.

I walked directly past 107 business premises. 52 of them were either closed or empty, many of them with "For Lease" signs up. So that's almost half of those businesses in one major tourist precinct gone, almost all of them never to return.

(It looked like only about 5 of them were just closed for the duration of Covid and were hoping to return - stock and fittings still in place.)
 

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They could at least start by allowing vaccinated Australian residents to go overseas and set up extra, separate HQ for their return (over and above the existing caps) and collect good data over a couple of months as to risk of moving to home quarantine. But as long as risk is >0.001% the appetite for an approach like this is not there.
the only way to have zero risk is to close the borders forever(except NZ)
 

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can't find the article which said Australians can get into UK from 17 May without quarantine, but this similar ........

Have you actually read the article, plus my previous post? As soon as you transit through somewhere other than SIN e.g. HKG, DXB, DOH, etc. you trigger the Amber and Red category. As I said, unless you're on a direct flight from Australia with no transit, or you transit via SIN you will be self-isolating (Amber) or in hotel quarantine (red).
The takings from Airbnb/Stayz bookings at our holiday home on the coast SW of a Melbourne are about 45% higher for this Feb-June vs 2019 (we excluded Jan as it’s always heavily booked). Anecdotal but not just a rounding error.
This matches what I've seen, accommodation I looked at that I had booked last year has gone up 35% in price.
Each week I walk through the centre of Surfers Paradise - Surfers Paradise Blvd - on the Gold Coast.

Last week I counted the numbers of shops/cafes open.

I walked directly past 107 business premises. 52 of them were either closed or empty, many of them with "For Lease" signs up. So that's almost half of those businesses in one major tourist precinct gone, almost all of them never to return.

(It looked like only about 5 of them were just closed for the duration of Covid and were hoping to return - stock and fittings still in place.)
I think what that shows is that SP is more of a foreign tourist destination, that Australians will generally avoid. So of course there will be some areas like that, but on the whole domestic tourism is alive and well and going boom boom boom. You can understand why from an economic perspective with that scenario and Iron Ore prices the highest they've ever been most of the population are in the frame of mind of "it's alright mate, keep the borders closed!".
 

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Each week I walk through the centre of Surfers Paradise - Surfers Paradise Blvd - on the Gold Coast.

Last week I counted the numbers of shops/cafes open.

I walked directly past 107 business premises. 52 of them were either closed or empty, many of them with "For Lease" signs up. So that's almost half of those businesses in one major tourist precinct gone, almost all of them never to return.

(It looked like only about 5 of them were just closed for the duration of Covid and were hoping to return - stock and fittings still in place.)
Yes I had the misfortune of being there over Easter...coupled with the endless rain it was fairly depressing! However, just down the tram line in Broadbeach everything seems absolutely fine and bustling.
 

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Yup...I happen to find myself between jobs in June with a week break. Being in Melbourne obvs I look north in June!

Flights are OK and not outrageous but the availability and price of accommodation (and the standard of remaining accomm in some places) is fairly horrendous. And then there's car hire which is generally running at about $200/day in Cairns & Darwin. I checked in on Broome and the Cable Beach resort has a pop-up saying its fully booked until October!

I also found that I could get myself to Darwin and compromise on hotel there was literally no tours available to book out to the national parks...looking for a 3 day option, not a day trip. I understand there are also all kinds of labour shortages, particularly affecting the tropical locations. In the end I'm going to FNQ...the resort I am staying at in Port Douglas is only operating the restaurant 5 days a week due to 'severe labour shortages'. I'm told this is also a problem at the venues in town...presumably this is due to zero working holidaymakers left in the country.

Anyway, a bit of a digression...maybe the masses will get more upset by the impact on domestic holiday prices!
Same where I live. All 'holiday' locations tourism/restaurant/accommodation use good majority of junior and casual staff as oversea's backpackers and short term tourists. Shortage of cleaners, cooks, reception staff, waitresses, you name it. Some bigger hotels can't even open half their rooms.
 

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Each week I walk through the centre of Surfers Paradise - Surfers Paradise Blvd - on the Gold Coast.

Last week I counted the numbers of shops/cafes open.

I walked directly past 107 business premises. 52 of them were either closed or empty, many of them with "For Lease" signs up. So that's almost half of those businesses in one major tourist precinct gone, almost all of them never to return.

(It looked like only about 5 of them were just closed for the duration of Covid and were hoping to return - stock and fittings still in place.)
We've been here recently too - Cairns however is way worse off. A really sad place at the moment.
 
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Having been through both downtown Cairns and SP in the last 5 years I have to say the businesses in Cairns and SP had headed down the path of being pretty horrible and relying on international trade of people who had been dumped there on tours, backpackers, others who weren’t able to be discriminating etc.

Despite the rhetoric from our tourism industry about Australia being a “premium” destination a lot of our tourism businesses has become tacky over priced clip joints offered sub-standard products and service. Cleanliness, attitude and quality were often low on the list of many tourist locations.

What had happened to my thinking was most of my more discerning Australian friends and colleagues were going to the USA, Asia, Europe etc and commenting on the better experiences they had re tourism there.

I think this is maybe an opportunity for Australia to become reacquainted with what it’s tourism offerings actually are and maybe to kill off the dead wood.

SP for example really needs a complete change of direction.
 

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But it already is and it’s accepted and there isn’t an uproar so why on earth would that change suddenly.

Accepted by whom? Government maybe, but I don't know if that support is shared by the general public. The government keeping telling us that all of us getting vaccinated will help allow business people to travel seems to provide little incentive to the rest of us.
 
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Accepted by whom? Government maybe, but I don't know if that support is shared by the general public. The government keeping telling us that all of us getting vaccinated will help allow business people to travel seems to provide little incentive to the rest of us.
Also all surveys say that business are the least keen to start travel again. Any travel will be minimal compared to 2019 levels, I used to jump on a plane for work meetings in region (EMEA) with no approvals needed and out of region approvals taking 5 minutes. Now the equivalent would require a paper trail a mile long, risk assessments, health screening etc.

The first people to travel will be people seeing family members and a small group of financially secure, younger/ adventurous recreational travellers. That’s evidenced in all surveys / genuine analysis.

The govt is therefore gaslighting us if they are saying that business is a travel driver / need.
 

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Accepted by whom? Government maybe, but I don't know if that support is shared by the general public. The government keeping telling us that all of us getting vaccinated will help allow business people to travel seems to provide little incentive to the rest of us.
Go to WA and ask everyone about their Premier.80% tell you he saved them from Covid.
News held a poll after the border will close indefinitely article in the press. 80% agreed with the border being closed.
 

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Also all surveys say that business are the least keen to start travel again. Any travel will be minimal compared to 2019 levels, I used to jump on a plane for work meetings in region (EMEA) with no approvals needed and out of region approvals taking 5 minutes. Now the equivalent would require a paper trail a mile long, risk assessments, health screening etc.

The first people to travel will be people seeing family members and a small group of financially secure, younger/ adventurous recreational travellers. That’s evidenced in all surveys / genuine analysis.

The govt is therefore gaslighting us if they are saying that business is a travel driver / need.

Yes, I read the report which suggests that business demand might be quite low. But that's a separate issue from what the government is promoting. They are/were saying that once we are all vaccinated we *might* look to reopen borders, in a slow and measured way, starting with business people. Well... that's not much of an incentive for 99% of the population is it? If the message was we can start to open up slowly by letting all front line workers - our nurses, paramedics, aged care workers, teachers - go on holiday, that could be a far bigger incentive.
 

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So the Federal Government is again putting forward the idea

Its like they are testing the waters to see what reaction they get for the different angles and then will decide which angle will make them the most popular
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And here come the international students
My goodness what a see-saw. Talk about mixed messages and lack of clarity. It makes me really angry with them. They should just get some common sense and tell the truth.
 

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My goodness what a see-saw. Talk about mixed messages and lack of clarity. It makes me really angry with them. They should just get some common sense and tell the truth.

They’re doing the thing that always enrages me about Boris which is policy by floating ideas in newspapers. The cycle of hope/no hope/glimmer of hope/hope dashed again is more exhausting than if they just came out with a very negative borders closed message and we could then all start to emotionally adjust and move on.
 

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They’re doing the thing that always enrages me about Boris which is policy by floating ideas in newspapers. The cycle of hope/no hope/glimmer of hope/hope dashed again is more exhausting than if they just came out with a very negative borders closed message and we could then all start to emotionally adjust and move on.
Exactly, it's the lack of certainty and ability to plan anything for the future that is making me feel so angry, frustrated, depressed, despondent etc etc. It is a play straight out of the torture handbooks to act this way.
 

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If the message was we can start to open up slowly by letting all front line workers - our nurses, paramedics, aged care workers, teachers - go on holiday,

You've mentioned that multiple times. Beside the fact that anyone can already go on holiday already - just within Australia or NZ (you don't need to travel overseas to go on holiday) , they are not the right group for any sort of opening up that still requires quarantine - whether home or hotel (except teachers, in the long summer break, but not the rest). Why? 2 weeks leave just to sit in quarantine does not make sense unless they've got loads of leave they want to waste - for the group you're talking about they cannot just plug in their laptop in their hotel room and work.

Maybe a good group to target for the initial quarantine free travel .. but where do you draw the line, it took an army of people to keep the country going during last years lockdowns - farmers, truck drivers, HQ staff, supermarket staff, police, security, etc
 
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You've mentioned that multiple times. Beside the fact that anyone can already go on holiday already - just within Australia or NZ (you don't need to travel overseas to go on holiday) , they are not the right group for any sort of opening up that still requires quarantine - whether home or hotel (except teachers, in the long summer break, but not the rest). Why? 2 weeks leave just to sit in quarantine does not make sense unless they've got loads of leave they want to waste - for the group you're talking about they cannot just plug in their laptop in their hotel room and work.
NZ is still overseas last time I looked.
 

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