Oneworld Classic Flight Reward Discussion - The Definitive Thread

I’m having trouble accessing Alaska Airlines business award availability. Is it just me or is there some rhyme or reason to it ?

I am trying to get from San Francisco or Seattle to Anchorage or Fairbanks next June.

The QFF site just comes up with a yellow screen saying no flights between these destinations.

It works say looking for SEA-ORD ( ie not to Alaska ) but for some reason getting to Alaska is not an acceptable itinerary.

The only exception is Anchorage to Fairbanks where there is some availability.

I have rang the QFF helpline and they come up with the same answer.

I joined Alaska Mileage Plan to look at availability and for the Alaskan Airlines flights, only “Refundable “ First Class flights are available

I know American or Alaska have complicated award availability now eg refundable or non refundable First ( on AS) etc and that , early on when Alaska just joined OneWorld , it was not possible to access Business Class seats because they did not have business class , but I thought the situation had changed .

Have any posters had similar problems and/ or found a run around to actually find seats as part of a business class itinerary from Australia with connection thru to Alaska?
 
I’m having trouble accessing Alaska Airlines business award availability.
Have you tried looking at earlier dates (say March instead of June) to check if the flights are available then?

I had a quite similar issue the other day and there was flights on the routes I was looking at earlier, so figured it was just a timing thing (ie. that they hadn't released AS seats that far out yet).
 
I hope that is the case.
I can see flights on the QFF site but when I click on them, up comes this message

It looks like something went wrong there
Flights out are not available for the date/time specified. Modify your request and search again. (#9200)
  • Flights out are not available for the date/time specified. Modify your request and search again. (#9200)
This applies even as far out as April 2024.
I recognise that June is a busy holiday time in the USA so I recognise there will no doubt difficulty in getting partner award seats particularly in the premium cabin.
Just need to keep trying.
 
Seems as though the BA flights SYD-SIN and SIN-LHR are currently blacked out for summer next year. A few weeks ago they were releasing J seats daily, now no reward seats on these flights at all after March next year :(
 
Thanks, even though Qantas' conditions of carriage are per the below they shift the blame to JAL?

If JAL don't accommodate us, I read below the "conditions of carriage" that it is on Qantas to get me to my final destination. I feel this means even though it's a U-class ticket they will try facilitate us even if on QF metal and not in U-class but J.

9.2 Late or Cancelled Flights (Events Beyond Our Control)​

Where we make a Significant Change to your flight due to an Event Beyond Our Control, whether you have checked in or not, we will:
  • use reasonable endeavours to rebook you on the next available flight on our services at no additional cost to you
The ‘we’ refers to Qantas making a schedule change. In this case it is JAL that has made the schedule change, not Qantas. The types of scenarios here could be if you were booked on a qantas service which say got rescheduled or cancelled because of air traffic control, or weather.

Qantas will do their best, and it shouldn’t be a difficult fix. But sometime the o/s call centres aren’t equipped to deal with these sorts of issues.

If you have been notified of the schedule change there should be a special phone number for assistance. If that doesn’t yield results you could try the award assistance email.
 
So this has just become a reality and my flight JL 774 has changed and now lands around 4 and a half hours after my connection to FRA on JL407 leaves. Can someone please confirm that rights are to be placed on a suitable alternative to my final destination (London) is Qantas' full responsibility as they issued ticket?
Not sure if I can fully believe how this has worked out at the moment, but after over 10 calls and pretty much being told to sort it myself with JAL in the last day I'm actually shocked at the outcome I received. Also messaged via Messenger and Twitter.

Called a lot of various numbers but the one that got me a resolution was 1300 025 396.

The nice lady gave me 3 options to change my flights to, one with Qantas and Cathay legs, one with Qantas and KLM legs and the last which I accepted was Qantas MEL-SYD, Emirates SYD-DXB, Emirates DXB-ZRH, BA ZRH-LCY at no cost.

She made the changes, I've checked online and she has actually put me in first not business on my Emirates legs, WOW!

This shows as ticketed on JAL and RJ but I haven't received this yet via email so will follow up.

Stay persistent, it pays! Hope all works out but I am currently very grateful.
 
Not sure if I can fully believe how this has worked out at the moment, but after over 10 calls and pretty much being told to sort it myself with JAL in the last day I'm actually shocked at the outcome I received. Also messaged via Messenger and Twitter.

Called a lot of various numbers but the one that got me a resolution was 1300 025 396.

The nice lady gave me 3 options to change my flights to, one with Qantas and Cathay legs, one with Qantas and KLM legs and the last which I accepted was Qantas MEL-SYD, Emirates SYD-DXB, Emirates DXB-ZRH, BA ZRH-LCY at no cost.

She made the changes, I've checked online and she has actually put me in first not business on my Emirates legs, WOW!

This shows as ticketed on JAL and RJ but I haven't received this yet via email so will follow up.

Stay persistent, it pays! Hope all works out but I am currently very grateful.
Errrr. Fingers crossed!

It could turn out to be a problem for ticketing if some legs are in first. But hopefully it will be ok. Let us know! (I had a similar issue with the 1300 number where they put me in a higher class, but ultimately ticketing refused to issue it unless I was back in the original cabin!)
 
Errrr. Fingers crossed!

It could turn out to be a problem for ticketing if some legs are in first. But hopefully it will be ok. Let us know! (I had a similar issue with the 1300 number where they put me in a higher class, but ultimately ticketing refused to issue it unless I was back in the original cabin!)
After asking for an e-ticket through messenger, the below was received. Not the most direct route but really don't care as it should be a terrific experience. Grateful!

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Would through check work on that itinerary (particularly baggage)? AFAIK BA and EK no longer have an interline agreement. But Symesy9 will be initially checking in with QF, and the EK flight is a QF codeshare.
 
So, I've been checking for the past few months for any business classic reward seats in an attempt to replace / upgrade the final leg of my upcoming 6-leg itinerary (which is currently in JQ Economy) - I note that there's now a new QF operated flight available and also with business availability (economy is also showing as well) as showing online in the multi city search.

As per normal, I call Qantas to attempt to change to this flight (unfortunately, no other way to change reward bookings!) - the same BS answer as a few months ago -
"There is no availability for classic reward seats (both economy and business) on the day you're looking at - what you see online is most likely only available for new bookings".

Why is this the case and why is it so difficult to change? If it's showing online, isn't it misleading that it can't be used for existing bookings? What is the issue that it can't be used for existing bookings? None of my legs are domestic btw - they are all international. The final leg is from SIN to MEL direct.

I have enough points outright to book the newly available QF flight and then attempt to cancel the final leg on my existing booking, but then I won't benefit from the 318k PTS cap.

I'm a lowly Bronze and don't have access to the much coveted Hobart team.
 
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Would through check work on that itinerary (particularly baggage)? AFAIK BA and EK no longer have an interline agreement. But Symesy9 will be initially checking in with QF, and the EK flight is a QF codeshare.
Checked EF for interline agreements from BA just now, and looks to be ok:

Paper Ticket and Baggage Interline Agreements​


MAY ISSUE TICKETS INCLUDING
AA AC AE AF AH AI AM AS AT AV AY AZ A3 A9
BA BI BL BM BP BR BT BW B6 CA CI CM CX CZ
DL DT EC EI EK ET EY FB FI FJ FM FV GA GF
GK GR G3 HA HG HM HP HX IB IC JC JJ JL JP
JQ JU JY J2 KA KC KE KK KL KM KP KQ KU KX
LA LG LH LI LM LO LP LR LX LY ME MH MI MN
MS MU MX NH NU NZ OA OK OM OS OU OZ PG PR
PS PW PX PZ QF QI QM QR RB RJ RO SA SB SK
SN SQ SS SU SV S7 TA TF TG TJ TK TM TN TP
TU T0 UA UK UL UP UU U0 U7 VN VS VY WB WF
WM WS WY XK XL XM X5 2K 3K 3U 4C 4M 4O 4Z
5T 7H 9B 9W

MAY CHECK BAGGAGE TO
AA AC AE AF AH AI AS AT AV AY AZ A3 A9 BA
BI BL BM BP BR BT BW B6 CA CI CM CX CZ DL
DT EC EI EK ET EY FB FI FJ FM FV GA GF GK
G3 HA HG HM HP HX IB IC JC JJ JL JP JQ JU
JY J2 KA KC KE KK KL KM KP KQ KU KX LA LG
LH LI LM LO LP LR LX LY ME MI MN MS MU MX
NH NU NZ OA OK OM OS OU OZ PG PR PS PW PX
PZ QF QI QM QR RB RO SA SB SK SN SQ SU SV
S7 TA TG TJ TK TM TN TP TU T0 UA UK UP UU
U0 U7 VN VS VY WB WF WM WS WY XK XL XM X5
2K 3K 3U 4C 4M 4O 4Z 7H 9B 9W

Cheers,
Matt.
 
So, I've been checking for the past few months for any business classic reward seats in an attempt to replace / upgrade the final leg of my upcoming 6-leg itinerary (which is currently in JQ Economy) - I note that there's now a new QF operated flight available and also with business availability (economy is also showing as well) as showing online in the multi city search.

As per normal, I call Qantas to attempt to change to this flight (unfortunately, no other way to change reward bookings!) - the same BS answer as a few months ago -
"There is no availability for classic reward seats (both economy and business) on the day you're looking at - what you see online is most likely only available for new bookings".

Why is this the case and why is it so difficult to change? If it's showing online, isn't it misleading that it can't be used for existing bookings? What is the issue that it can't be used for existing bookings? None of my legs are domestic btw - they are all international. The final leg is from SIN to MEL direct.

I have enough points outright to book the newly available QF flight and then attempt to cancel the final leg on my existing booking, but then I won't benefit from the 318k PTS cap.

I'm a lowly Bronze and don't have access to the much coveted Hobart team.
I feel the pain! I think you just need to keep calling. I spoke to three agents telling me ‘no availability’ until the fourth one found the flights and booked them.

The only thing to bear in mind is that currency fluctuations or increases in fuel surcharges can blow out the fees… qantas seem to cancel the whole ticket and reprice it. In my case it was going to be $450 to change ecinomy to business on a one hour flight. I’m staying in the main cabin!

I dunno what the key is, but eventually you should find an agent that can book.
 
I feel the pain! I think you just need to keep calling. I spoke to three agents telling me ‘no availability’ until the fourth one found the flights and booked them.

I dunno what the key is, but eventually you should find an agent that can book.

So a miracle happened today, but still not 100% what I was after.

After the above call, I HUACA again and was able to get a consultant (finally a more switched on / helpful one) who was able to escalate to their "team coach" on why they were unable to see the reward seats I wanted. The call initially started the same - ie. they were unable to see the reward seats I could see online / they're only for new bookings etc.

They then tried a "different method", then "miraculously", they were able to find and add the reward seats and in the class I wanted too - I was like, woohoo finally a step in the right direction!

The desired reward seat / flight then appeared in manage my booking during the call (I was on hold for at least 45mins - 1hr though) so I knew something was done in the background.

From there though, they re-calculated the amount of points required and it seemed a bit off, so they put me on hold again for another 30mins whilst they re-calculated and came back to me stating that as the booking was done under my partner's QFF account, that I'd have to transfer points as there was insufficient points in her account (I can definitely vouch that there was enough points though).

I then said no problem and just obliged - I transferred the points accordingly. They then said that it would take "some time" (quoted a few hrs) for the points to appear on their end. I didn't really believe it, but I went along with it anyway and we mutually ended the call after I asked what I needed to do when I called back a few hours later once the points "turned up" in my partner's account.

I then HUACA, and I was VERY surprised to hear an Australian accent (I won't mention the name of the consultant for privacy reasons, but they were THE BEST I've had from Qantas).

I then explained the whole situation and that I was just looking to just pay for a flight change as per the previous call.

I was then put on hold again for about 45mins - 1hr due to their system being slow and for some investigation.

When the call resumed, the consultant wasn't happy with the points / taxes calculation from their internal team (ie. it came back a lot more than what it should have been) so they offered to investigate further and call back. I was more than happy to receive a call back.

1.5hrs later, I did indeed get that call back and the points / taxes calculation now came up correct on their end (their initial hunch was correct in that the taxes payable was a lot less than their internal team's calculations).

Passed my CC details and confirmed to proceed, I then got an updated e-ticket within 45mins after the call.

The consultant then asked if I called any special number to get through or if I was transferred from another consultant - I just told them I called the 13 13 13 number.

They then mentioned that they were surprised I got through, because I had just got through to the Hobart team and generally this team is a priority line.

To the consultant (if you're on this forum) - you know who you are - thankyou very much for sorting out my long standing issue and I'm surprised that as a lowly Bronze, I had luck in getting through to Hobart!

The only issue I now have though (as per mentioned, not 100% what I was after), is, it didn't end up being a capped 318k OWA. My flights are with QF, AY, AF, BA and QF.

All legs are in business apart from the BA one which is in PE (which I'm okay with as there's nothing available at all now, not even economy)

I'm assuming that the issue may lie with the AF flight not being eligible under the "OWA"? If yes, I could probably look for alternatives, but then I'd probably have to go through the whole process of calling until I get a consultant who can "miraculously" see reward seats which I can see. That in itself will take ages again.

I've just searched, and BA have options but I do have to transit and it would add hours to the trip, plus additional airport time. I think for the sake of 20-30k points, I'll just leave it as-is as I've had pretty much enough of most Qantas consultants lying about :

1. Not being able to see the reward seats I can see online
2. Claiming those reward seats showing online are for new bookings only (which is a lie, because after 4hrs and a little bit of luck, I managed to claim those seats which were showing online)

I guess you can't always win... Sorry about the long winded post!

TL;DR - After HUACA x 2 and 4hrs on the phone, I was finally able to change my JQ economy rewards seats to a QF business rewards seat (and get through to Hobart as a bronze member), but the entire itinerary didn't fall under the 318k OWA as I suspect it's the AF leg that is causing ineligibility.
 
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That’s a result!

The incorrect taxes was a huge problem for my booking. Still is. I can’t make any changes without them wanting $450 extra. If only we could get hold of hobart.
 

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