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Ethiopian 737 Max 8 crash and Fallout

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Thing is, a plane disaster is always going to make front page news, so unlike a faulty car manufacture, it will prompt immediate investigation and remedy. If enough planes go down, airlines will start refusing to buy them (if they are not already).

I really feel Boeing really need to scrap the 737 and start a new line rather than try to fudge-fix this, because another disaster will cost them billions when they are sued and regardless of the ramp-up costs, it will be cheaper to start afresh. Airlines and their shareholders will not like it, but that's the bottom line. Or we will see Airbus as the only major plane maker standing.
 

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"When pressed on why Boeing pushed regulators to allow Max planes around the world to keep flying after the first crash in 2018, Muilenberg replied, "I think about that decision over and over again. If we knew then what we know now, we would have made a different decision." "

I doubt the "flying coffin" remark will appear in their future publicity!!
 

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American and Southwest expecting March
Ryanair likewise

 

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On an individual level - if Qantas were flying 737Max on domestic routes next year - who would actively avoid them?
 

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Most useful Persian term I learnt in Kabul - چرا که نه (sounds like shar-o neh) - why not? Flown an ET 737 Max before and found it excellent.

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On an individual level - if Qantas were flying 737Max on domestic routes next year - who would actively avoid them?
Apart from AFfers and a relatively small percentage of others, most passengers wouldn't know what model/class of smaller aircraft it as until they were told or read the safety card. B744s and A380s: different case.
 

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Apart from AFfers and a relatively small percentage of others, most passengers wouldn't know what model/class of smaller aircraft it as until they were told or read the safety card. B744s and A380s: different case.
That's true, except that a substantial group think that 767/777 and 330/340/350 are actually 747 & 380. Then there's the group that think 747=380.

But, you only need a small percentage to be put off by the MAX. 5% would make the difference between it being successful, and a total dud. Is 5% a big number to find in these days of internet news (and non news)?
 
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But, you only need a small percentage to be put off by the MAX. 5% would make the difference between it being successful, and a total dud. Is 5% a big number to find in these days of internet news (and non news)?
You are totally correct: easy to see five per cent put off, which is why to me the 'MAX' is a candidate for a renaming. Some less well informed passengers, or those to whom flying (domestically) is merely a 'train' or 'bus' service, won't then as easily make the connection that they can presently of 'Max = unsafe.'

With all its other troubles, surely VA management must still be nervous about its MAX order, deferred or not?
 

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Perhaps a better question is when VA is flying the 737 MAX from 2021, who will actively avoid them?
With all its other troubles, surely VA management must still be nervous about its MAX order, deferred or not?
Well, if they ever arrive - VA's first delivery of MAX 8 (which is the aircraft this thread is about) is slated to be 2025.

(Max 10 in 2022)
 
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Boeing complained, and the government sanctioned the Canadians over their rather nice FSA. That in turn was sold to Airbus, and is now the A220. At the time, Boeing's complaint was that it was taking sales from them, even though they didn't actually have an aircraft that was in the same size range. The upshot of that is that Airbus now have modern aircraft scaling from the 220, through the various 320 variations. Boeing have a geriatric wearing lots of makeup.
 
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Boeing didn't crash any during their initial testing either, but how did that work out?
I have no idea if you’re referring to their initial testing. I claim to be a punter, and a consumer of cabins, not a staffer of cockpits. I’m not a Boeing apologist, if that’s where your barb is aimed. It was a shiny new plane, flying out of not so shiny ADD, and the experience at the time was about as good as an African airline gets.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I now, of course, think of my good luck on that flight every time I get aboard a 737, now outed as a tarted-up geriatric, as you note. I should also think of my good luck every time I cross an East Africa highway, I guess. I’d rate my chances of getting killed on one of those a lot higher than boarding an ill fated flight.
 
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All true.

If nothing had been done, the 737 loss rate would have eventually scaled up (with all of the orders being delivered) to about 1 per month. That might still be better than the African highway, but it's unbelievably bad in the aviation world.
 

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