I think we have to very careful just how much basic liberty and common sense we sacrifice to this. Why would you uphold a fine for a driving lesson 30 km from home? How are two people in a car spreading a virus, unless they are actively sneezing out of open windows? I understand the need to keep it simple in order to minimize enforcement but a bit of perspective is in order and when they start penalising people (as opposed to a chat and a warning), for activities that do no harm, I start hearing alarm bells.
Several others have used those words.I didn't use the words stupid, idiot or not intelligent. But I did make the observation that those 'confused' are really meaning 'I don't agree'. There's nothing to be confused about as the rules are pretty clear unless you are actively looking to create an excuse.
What stores did you go to? Maybe try a different store if possible, or a different time.I hate queues. Always have. Best part of being a super-traveller is avoiding queues in airports. But today there were queues at the entrance of woolies and coles. I choose to starve...
Several others have used those words.
And you missed my point. Some people are under a lot more stress because of the rules.it is quite possible that it will end badly for some.suicide rates go up in times of economic stress.They are not actively looking for an excuse.This fact needs to be taken into consideration when setting the "rules".
Not correct. The main flouters were back packers at Bondi and St Kilda beach. Easy enough to confront and set an example.That's the thing. There are enough police to enforce it, because only a few people are flouting the law.
If everyone made up their own rules, you'd be right - there wouldn't be enough police.
This is exactly what we were talking about a few days ago... that police have to enforce the law against those who should be at home self isolating. They don't have time to go chasing after a random car going off star gazing. They can't read your mind, they don't know why you are going somewhere, or your reasons. So they have to stop you.
Multiple you by 10,000 and the whole enforcement could be in jeopardy.
There is an ambiguity.Where does it say that this is not allowed?
The way the health order is written (as I mentioned above) is that you aren’t permitted outside the premises you ordinarily reside at, and the definition of premises includes land as well as buildings. Maybe it is being enforced differently to the way it is written?
Mornington Peninsula Shire is 227 sq Km. With the current rate of infections that means the Shire has one infected person per four square kilometers - making it on a density basis, one of the safest areas of the Melbourne region.Also another thought, all the overzealous policing seems to be on or near to the Mornington Peninsula. Every one of the much publicised fines that were being portrayed as unfair (mountain bike rider, L plate driver, tip person etc) have been in/around that area. Probably due to the well publicised actions of the Aspen returned couple in the same area. Renato, you live down that way don’t you?
Lets see,Most complied, but not enough.
Interesting that you are proposing a police state, where there are police at every corner enforcing the rules.
Do you really beleibe the government are 'happy; to do this?
In this case, I recognise that the requirements for society as a whole mean that some of our individual freedoms we take for granted are going to be impacted.
Just do the right thing.
Yes I saw that.
Sounds like he had no good reason to be out, until he eventually 'remembered' he was allowed to be out for exercise, and so used that?
I must have missed it somewhere in all those numerous responses, where they all explained to me why it was legitimate for a Police Officer to demand a reason from a citizen as to why he was doing something he was lawfully entitled to do.This has been explained to you numerous times in this thread. All you have to do is actually read what people have said.
You accept the premise that Police are entitled to demand of citizens why they are engaging in lawful activities.Not being able to get your story straight is a sure way to arouse suspicion. No surprise they concluded that his eventual exercise story was BS.
If you feel I am a troll - why do you add to this thread - and do the exact same thing you advise others not to do.Don't forget you can't fix stupid
And....because this thread went quite for a bit..but is rampant again....
Don't feed the trolls.. especially if they watch fox news
There is an ambiguity.
“Unfortunately, this means no fishing, no hunting, no boating, no camping, and no golf. Hang up your rods, leave the tinnie in the driveway, and clean your clubs at home,” Professor Sutton said. "
From Department of Health and Human Services Victoria | Media release Coronavirus update from CHO for Victoria - 2 April 2020
Which means no hunting.
No people who are susceptible to stress do not think the way you think.The stress takes over,they start having negative thoughts and they really are incapable of thinking about making excuses to get out of the house or whether they agree with the restrictions or not.
We are all different and react in different ways.But too many of us are not even aware that some are really suffering-not from Covid but the response to it.
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You accept the premise that Police are entitled to demand of citizens why they are engaging in lawful activities.
That is disturbing.
It doesn't occur to you that some people of lesser education, lesser intelligence, or with some anxiety of authority figures, may not be able to construct and verbalise the correct answer, namely,
"Because I am lawfully entitled to do so, and please provide me you name and badge number and advise me by what authority you are asking me to give a reason for doing what I am lawfully entitled to do".
Instead they may be intimidated, wonder if they've done something wrong, and be puzzled if this absurd question is some kind of trick question that could lead to a fine.
This sort of question is a Police State tactic.
But you and others here seem to shrug and think it fair enough.