Carry On Baggage

[jasonja3]

That seems to me to be airport imposing a rule, and it doesn't sound like it is working to me.

Its working by stopping PAX getting on board with more than their allowance. I know I have learnt, when I am in Y, just check it in and wait for it at the other end.....

 

[Kiwi Flyer]

Not necessarily. I am confident that if we both arrived at SFO from SYD on a weekday morning at 1000hrs, I would be able to get through immigration and customs with my ONE carry-on; and be well on my way to making my domestic connection; while you were still waiting for your checked bag to arrive on the carousel.

Yup. Carry on only can be the difference between making that 8am meeting or not (or alternatively having to fly in the day before costing downtime and accommodation).

 

[Kiwi Flyer]

Its working by stopping PAX getting on board with more than their allowance. I know I have learnt, when I am in Y, just check it in and wait for it at the other end.....

If it was working then there wouldn't be the bottleneck? Take LHR for example. When the 1 carry on rule first came along there were huge queues pre FCC with thousands of pax being made to clear immigration because they had a 2nd carryon, or one a bit too big. Now the system has been in place a while and reasonably well communicated (although I was a bit concerned that NZ check in staff in AKL had no idea the rule exists when they should know given the number of connecting pax NZ-LHR-xx_), it seems to be working fairly smoothly. Sure still some pax being made to clear immigration or throw stuff out, but very few and the queues before FCC (where they check the carryons) are much smaller.

 

[jasonja3]

No ques, just a narrow (5mt) corridoor with gates so they check everyone. Might have to wait 30sec tops, when I have been there.....usually PM

 

[Kiwi Flyer]

sorry. I misunderstood what you meant by bottleneck.

 

[serfty]

I avoid checked baggae as much as possible; it really does have a good time saving effect not to have to wait for ones bags at a carousel.

However, I stick within the weight and size limits - for Qantas, that's <= 2 "105cm" 7Kg bags on Domestic (Jet) Flights or International J or 1 "115 Cm" 7kg bag in International WHY.

Also, If I know a flight is heavily loaded, I will endeavor to be a the gate (not QP) when boarding commences and make use of any Preferred Boarding privilege I may have.

Simple, really ...

 

[NM]

Yup. Carry on only can be the difference between making that 8am meeting or not (or alternatively having to fly in the day before costing downtime and accommodation).

Then change the meeting to 8:30am.

 

[NM]

I believe that carry-on hand luggage should be limited to only what you need in flight. If you don't need it in flight or in transit, then check it in.

However, this is predicated on the airlines providing timely and reliable checked luggage services. Generally the reason people don't want to check-in luggage is because the airlines do not provide timely and reliable baggage services, resulting in the ludicrous situation we have in the LOTFAP where only the first 25% of passengers to board the aircraft have any chance of finding overhead locker space anywhere near their seats. This means less people check bags, so the airlines employ less baggage handlers due to lower volumes of checked bags.

Then the unions purposely delay the delivery of bags to the carousels to try to convince the airlines that they are overloaded and need more staff.

I have a wheelie briefcase that fits my laptop and all other things I need to have available in flight and in transit. The only time I have any additional items to carry on is when I have purchased duty-free items after security, and even then I can often get them into the briefcase as well. The only things I need in flight and in transit are:

• Laptop computer and associated power supply etc
• iPod and in-ear earphones
• Change of underwear, socks and shirt (one set per shower point along the way)
• Deoderant and toothbrush
• Reading material (such as Australian Aviation magazine)
• Travel Documents
• Camera if I am taking it on the trip

Now sometimes that may exceed 7kg, but always fits into the single wheelie briefcase that meets the Qantas Domestic size limits.

 

[simongr]

I dont know how KiwiFlyer manages it but there is no way that I can avoid checked luggage - so i generally carry very liittle hand luggage. I think my hand lugage pretty much resembles NM's I am making ome adjustments as I am finding that my laptop bag isnt quite big enough so I am switching to a wheelie bag shortly - just big ennough to fit under a set (just) and that willl be it.

I thought we had already changed to a singel bag flying out of Oz -so we are just talking domestic here?

 

[mabunji]

Perhaps 'User Pays' is the way to go ?.

For those who have a genuine need to carry excess bags/weight into the cabin ( to catch a connecting flight ? ), paying a surcharge for the privelige should be cost effective compared to the costs associated with a missed connection.

It's a simple self-regulating exercise. The onus falls back on the passenger to evaluate just how badly his/her need is to have all their luggage in the overhead locker for the duration of the flight.

I suspect that when it comes to handing over a credit card at check in many pax will re-evaluate the necessity.

 

[jasonja3]

Just so long as there is a credit for no stowed luggage.............

 

[serfty]

... I thought we had already changed to a singel bag flying out of Oz -so we are just talking domestic here?

Nup, Ex OZ, (at least on QF & JQi), if travelling in the pointy end you can have two carry-on bags.

More here:

* Flying with Us - Before You Travel - Baggage - Carry on - General

* Jetstar - Airport information for Jetstar Airways Australia's discount airline (go down a bit to "Cabin Baggage")

 

[d15.in.oz]

Perhaps 'User Pays' is the way to go...

I agree to that, but prefer that those using checked bag facilities, should be the ones to pay!

It costs an airline a whole lot less to fly me to my destination, than someone who needs to –

1. Interact with a human at check-in.
2. Have their baggage transported from check-in to the aircraft, via costly conveyor systems.
3. Have their checked bag tracked by computer software.
4. Have their bag loaded into the aircraft.
5. Weigh down the aircraft with their checked bags, causing more fuel to be used.
6. Interline their baggage at transit points.
7. Have their bags off-loaded at the final destination.
8. Transfer bags through well maintained systems, to carousels...

To be frank, I want a discount for not causing these huge charges to be added to the airline’s bottom line.

 

[mabunji]

5. Weigh down the aircraft with their checked bags, causing more fuel to be used.

Whether you stuff a 20kg bag in the overhead locker, or stow it in the hold it has the same effect on the fuel consumption - it is still 20kg that needs to be hauled through the sky !.

Here's the deal - we all take our one small bag containing the essentials we need for the flight, we find our seat, we chuck the small bag overhead and sit in our seats leaving the aisles clear for the other passengers to do the same. See how efficient this is ?. We've saved time - the flight has a much faster turnaround, the airline saves money !

 

[mabunji]

.... we find our seat, we chuck the small bag overhead and sit in our seats leaving the aisles clear for the other passengers to do the same........

Sorry forgot to mention - having stowed our bag.... we leave the bin door OPEN people !!!. Passengers following behind us can see straight away if there is room in that locker. Its slow and tedious if the last passengers have to open and shut several lockers before finding a space. Let the FAs close the locker doors before take off, it really is no hassle for them and it makes things much easier for everyone.

 

[Dave Noble]

Here's the deal - we all take our one small bag containing the essentials we need for the flight, we find our seat, we chuck the small bag overhead and sit in our seats leaving the aisles clear for the other passengers to do the same. See how efficient this is ?. We've saved time - the flight has a much faster turnaround, the airline saves money !

Indeed. The time taken for boarding when no hand luggage is permitted ( other than say a book ) vs normal boarding is hugely different. Travelling on J31s in the UK where no cabin baggage is permitted is so quick as people just get straight to their seat and sit down

Dave

 

[Kiwi Flyer]

Whether you stuff a 20kg bag in the overhead locker, or stow it in the hold it has the same effect on the fuel consumption - it is still 20kg that needs to be hauled through the sky !.

Here's the deal - we all take our one small bag containing the essentials we need for the flight, we find our seat, we chuck the small bag overhead and sit in our seats leaving the aisles clear for the other passengers to do the same. See how efficient this is ?. We've saved time - the flight has a much faster turnaround, the airline saves money !

Ah but I might only be carrying on 15kgs (say) vs someone checking in the kitchen sink at over 30kgs.

As for quicker - I bet I am quicker than most other pax in getting my carryon(s) stowed and removed at start and end of flight respectively, especially when I only have 1. I organise what I need out of them handy, have an efficient movement, don't waste time looking at seat numbers for my seat, don't have multiple extra layers to take off (jackets, scarves etc).

 

[Kiwi Flyer]

Indeed. The time taken for boarding when no hand luggage is permitted ( other than say a book ) vs normal boarding is hugely different. Travelling on J31s in the UK where no cabin baggage is permitted is so quick as people just get straight to their seat and sit down

Dave

My counter example is Beech 1900D. Very little room for carry-ons (only a very small space under seat) and so most pax do not have carry on. Yet boarding still slow since narrow aisle and infrequent flyers seem to take time working out which is there seat. Admittedly the process could be significantly sped up if pax arranged in seat order for boarding, but airline do not seem to want to do that.

 

[Kiwi Flyer]

I agree to that, but prefer that those using checked bag facilities, should be the ones to pay!

It costs an airline a whole lot less to fly me to my destination, than someone who needs to –

1. Interact with a human at check-in.
2. Have their baggage transported from check-in to the aircraft, via costly conveyor systems.
3. Have their checked bag tracked by computer software.
4. Have their bag loaded into the aircraft.
5. Weigh down the aircraft with their checked bags, causing more fuel to be used.
6. Interline their baggage at transit points.
7. Have their bags off-loaded at the final destination.
8. Transfer bags through well maintained systems, to carousels...

To be frank, I want a discount for not causing these huge charges to be added to the airline’s bottom line.

Agree, and add much easier for airline (and myself) to deal with irregular ops.

 

[mabunji]

Ah but I might only be carrying on 15kgs (say) vs someone checking in the kitchen sink at over 30kgs.

Apples and Oranges. 15kg is less than 30kg. Always has been, always will. d15.in.oz was attempting to argue that loading bags into the belly of the aircraft burnt fuel and cost the airlines money (implying that the same weight of bags stowed in the overhead bins were immune from this natural occurence). This is the argument you need to address - does a bag stashed in the cabin weigh less than an identical weight bag stowed as checked luggage ?. Me thinks not.

As for quicker - I bet I am quicker than most other pax in getting my carryon(s) stowed and removed at start and end of flight respectively, especially when I only have 1. I organise what I need out of them handy, have an efficient movement, don't waste time looking at seat numbers for my seat, don't have multiple extra layers to take off (jackets, scarves etc).

Yep, I'm pretty quick myself. I bet if it was only you and I booked onto the flight we'd be off in record time!!!!!!....... Meanwhile, back in the real world, we're sharing the aircraft with several hundred additional passengers. I guess we can attempt to educate each and every one of those passengers to replicate our habits .... or alternatively we can attempt to restrict the luggage they bring on board to minimise the problem. Which approach do you think has the best chance of success ?.