Carry On Baggage

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  1. TonyD

    TonyD Member

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    Hi,
    There is an article on Travel | Australia and International travel guides, tips, advice, flights, accommodation | NEWS.com.au today about carry on baggage and the fact that Qantas and many other airlines are ignoring their own carry on baggage limits.
    I suspect as the the article says, many of the culprits are FF.
    Many times I've boarded the flight as soon as the call comes thru QC, to get to my seat and find no overhead space any where near it. Or watched with amazement as people try stuffing a way to big bag in. Or watched people board with 3 or more pieces.
    Will Qantas crack down or are they afraid to offend. I have wondered if they prefer it, as its less work for baggage handlers. Just curious what the forum thinks
    cheers
    Tony
     

  2. Evan

    Evan Established Member

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    Sometimes it s really bad, but i think FF should be allowed 2 peices, 3 is a bit much, and maybe non FF just a single peice.

    In the UK of course the security people only allow 1 item so out of the UK hand luggage is not often full.

    But i have seen a few airlines force people to check heavy items ! and good on them.

    E
     
  3. Dave Noble

    Dave Noble Senior Member

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    I disagree. I think that the hand baggage allowances should be properly enforced for all ; there is no reason why a FF has a need for more bags in flight .

    I think that the UK approach of removing the enforcement of allowances away from the airlines was a great idea since many airlines seemed to publish limits but not enforce them

    Dave
     
  4. #4 NYCguy, Apr 14, 2007
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    I couldn't agree more. People carrying ridiculous amounts of baggage into the cabin, unchallenged by airline staff, is one of my pet hates. I have lost count of the number of emails I have sent to airlines over the last few years, asking them to address this matter. Unfortunately, airline staff are either too gutless to stand up to passengers, or their employers have instructed them to turn a blind eye to policy infractions. Pointing out to airlines that they are in breach of CASA regulations by failing to enforce the rules seems to make no difference.

    Two pieces of carry-on is more than adequate for anyone, even when travelling with an infant. For the majority of passengers, one is enough. I can't see why any passenger, regardless of how many miles they fly in a year, should be entitled to a more generous carry-on limit. The size restictions placed on individual pieces are more than generous. Just because some individuals consider travelling with checked luggage to be a cumbersome inconvenience, doesn't mean that the other passengers in the cabin should be disadvantaged by their selfishness. After all, they have paid for their seats; and rights to some space in the overhead lockers; too. The sense of entitlement that some passengers display, based solely on the colour of their FF card, is appalling and infantile.
     
  5. d15.in.oz

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    Did Qantas have a binge mid-last year on checking carry-ons? I remember my bag being weighed on occasions at SYD & BNE to make sure it was less than 7kg. Haven’t had to put it on the scales again since.

    As long as there is space to store my carry-ons, near me, I don’t care how much someone else brings on board. (Generally that means QF/BA = good, AA = bad.) Don't like UK 1 bag policy though!

    And I need to take 2 pieces; my wheelie-bag is the equivalent of my luggage and my lap-top/back-pack just as indispensable as an all purpose, ladies' hand-bag.
     
  6. Dave Noble

    Dave Noble Senior Member

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    I think that 1 bag is perfectly acceptable; I do not believe that there are many people who can have need access to large amounts of baggage during the flight

    The airlines allow luggage to be checked in

    Dave
     
  7. jasonja3

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    I am guilty of not having checked luggage, although I comply with size limits, just not weight...... which does not impact on others.

    I think this is becoming harder for airlines to police with OLCI. The FA's are the first rep from the airline PAX see. Are the FA really going to check baggage weight at the gate and stop you from boarding? (I know it has been done before)....What if PAX over weight or over size? Won't this delay the flight? I beleive this is one reason it is poorly policed.

    As Dave Noble pointed out, taking it away from the airlines seems to work. In CAN (Guangzhou), you have to check in (No OLCI), and they do not question your hand luggage. When heading for customs (yes on departure), there is a choke point where officers check your papers, and make you weigh your hand lugage if it looks big, especially when travelling in Y, they don't seem to worry so much if travel if in J. If you are over the 10kg limit, then you are instructed to go back to the check in counter and check the over-weight luggage in.

    Kiwiflyer suggested on another thread, we will eventually follow the UK and be restricted to one bag only, this will put to an end my convenience....:( I pack very light for a few days, and have a tight schedule with a number of stops, this is main reason, other than baggage handlers:D
     
  8. d15.in.oz

    d15.in.oz Member

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    Then, we will have to disagree. :)
     
  9. No, you don't. I respectfully suggest that you simply consider the process of checking and reclaiming luggage to be inconvenient and cumbersome, and therefore something to be avoided.

    What do you need on the flight that can't be put in your backpack, or your laptop bag?

    I fly hundreds of thousands of miles every year, and I have never needed to take more than one bag into the cabin of any aircraft.
     
  10. d15.in.oz

    d15.in.oz Member

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    Okay, I will agree with that! And I am prepared to put up with wheelie bag concierge ala AmericanEagle style...But, I walk up the air-bridge and out of the terminal, non-stop! I don't like QantasLink's version where you have to pick it up on the carousel!


    Luckily for me, my desires can represent a cost saving to an airline (particularly a LCC).
     
  11. TonyD

    TonyD Member

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    Thats my point really - when every body else brings on two much, there isnt enough room left for others - so I do care! I agree with someone else - the weight is not the issue it's the size.
    I dont carry a laptop anymore but when I did I could put it in my QFF Bag, with 2 days of clothes and carry it on. Any longer than that I would check the lot on and carry a book.
     
  12. mabunji

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    I've always understood that carry on luggage constitutes those items that you require during the flight. I travel with a small backpack containing a book and other reading material, travel documents, (and a sweater if I am travelling to a cold climate). This fits under the seat in front - I can access the bag whenever I need to without disturbing other pax.

    On occasions I have stowed a jacket in the overhead bin, only to have it crushed by the next passenger hoisting his oversized wheelie bag bang on top.

    Flying internationally delays are encountered in Customs and Immigration. The fact that you may also have a delay waiting for your luggage is inconsequential. It is far more conveniant to get rid of the luggage at checkin.
     
  13. Evan

    Evan Established Member

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    Well my 2 bags limit seems not to be so popular, oh well for the record i almost always have less than just about everbody on the plane and 90% of the time only have a single small backpack, but today i had that + a 3tb raid array (Small toaster size and 7k exactly) and my duty free.
    Having said that i think people should be allowed 2 bags, i would also not care if the UK limits were imposed.

    Heavy bags are an issue as if a locker flys open and a heavy bag falls on somebody it can cause a lot more damanage than a light one.

    In AU we can't easily get bags from gate to the hold in some other airports they have can tag at the gate or near it and a belt that must get it to the plane to be loaded manually, seen it used a few times in LHR and a couple fo other places but can't remember where.

    Number of bags is one thing but a couple of smaller bags are much easier to pack than some of the massive roller bags people bring !

    E
     
  14. Not necessarily. I am confident that if we both arrived at SFO from SYD on a weekday morning at 1000hrs, I would be able to get through immigration and customs with my ONE carry-on; and be well on my way to making my domestic connection; while you were still waiting for your checked bag to arrive on the carousel.
     
  15. Kiwi Flyer

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    I disagree. This pulls carry on allowances down to the lowest common denominator, whereas elsewhere airlines do allow more for qualifying pax (based on class of travel or status).
     
  16. Kiwi Flyer

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    I agree but the UK limit is ONE carry on (and no personal items as extra). You can be sure if any other places follow suit in having a standard allowance they will also go to lowest common denominator.
     
  17. jasonja3

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    And when it happens, the airlines will stand back and tell us it is the local authorities that are doing it, it has nothing to do with us, and status PAX loose another perk. If only they enforced their policy more, the single bag limit might not be imposed. Anyway,lets not jump the gun!! It has not happened yet.
     
  18. Kiwi Flyer

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    Ah but some itineraries checking luggage is not advisable. The airlines/airports have brought some of this on themselves with such poor baggage handling.

    I don't know about you, but I would find it an extreme inconvenience to go without stuff in my luggage for 2-3 weeks (which has happened to me before).
     
  19. Kiwi Flyer

    Kiwi Flyer Senior Member

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    That seems to me to be airport imposing a rule, and it doesn't sound like it is working to me.
     
  20. Kiwi Flyer

    Kiwi Flyer Senior Member

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    No it isn't. There are some itineraries where you cannot through check. If you have checked luggage then the time involved in clearing immigration and customs may prevent you from taking certain onward flights. Whereas if no checked luggage go to transit desk instead and still easily make the onward flights.

    Similarly in irregular ops, it is far easier for both passenger and airline to make last minute changes if no checked bags than if there are checked bags.

    In both examples above, this might mean the difference between making a destination one day or several days later (depending on schedule frequency and any knock-on effects from the irregular ops). In the latter example it may also save the airline considerable cost in accommodation and other charges (eg compensation).
     
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