Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[oz_mark]

We had to wear masks in situations in South Australia, namely everywhere involving care services, eg chemists etc.

Post automatically merged: Dec 31, 2020

Well, until we have the vaccine I don't know of any alternative right now.

So what was the plan if there was no vaccine? Years of border closures?

 

[jakeseven7]

Yeah it's crazy that if your already over in WA, your expected to self isolate, what in your hotel, after mixing with public for a week or so already.

Yawn another cough decision to end a coughpy year and honestly WA have just lost the plot, but is anyone surprised?

 

[jakeseven7]

Interesting. I lived in Sydney for many years but did not realise that the roads would be so comparable with anywhere in TAS. As far as TAS goes, I’ve only travelled around the Hobart area, and not to the North.

It’s not at all. I’ve lived in both and I have no idea what the OP is talking about. There are so many backroads around the NW of Tas it’s not funny. NB - unless you have a boat or a seaplane / helipad there are only a few....

 

[MooTime]

Yawn another cough decision to end a coughpy year and honestly WA have just lost the plot, but is anyone surprised?

But it's a costly yawn for many isn't it?

This isn't 1st world problems it's 1st world disabilities....

Mama Mia, what a mess.

 

[Pushka]

So what was the plan if there was no vaccine? Years of border closures?

I don't think anyone had any idea. Flatten the curve became eliminate.

 

[SydneySwan]

State Border closures are just so last year.

Wishing everyone a better 2021!

 

[N860CR]

I don't think anyone had any idea. Flatten the curve became eliminate.

It did. But not a single government (well maybe WA) will acknowledge that. So, twelve months in, we’re doing policy on the run. Absolute disgrace and a shocking reflection of the political competence of this country.

 

[moa999]

I think flatten was ways a false objective.
The virus doesn't do flat.

But elimination and then done is equally unachievable.

 

[N860CR]

I think flatten was ways a false objective.
The virus doesn't do flat.

Be that as it may, that’s still the formal objective. We have no plan beyond that.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

A possible source of or history to flatten the curve. Original goals were apparently:

1. Delay outbreak peak
2. Decompress peak burden on hospitals/infrastructure
3. Diminish overall cases and health impacts

https://www.fastcompany.com/90476143/the-story-behind-flatten-the-curve-the-defining-chart-of-the-coronavirus

When you get to a low number of cases (and hence achieved points 1 and 2), point 3 could just mean keep it lower/nil.

So while the public was sold point 2 as the main reason, the original graph didn’t seem to have that intent.

It seems there has never been a theoretical step / policy after flatten the curve. But the best anyone anywhere on this planet and/or throughout human history has come up with is have a semi-normal existence until science catches up (eg improved treatments and/or vaccine) or the world gets lucky (eg the virus mutates to a non-dangerous form).

 

[lovetravellingoz]

New exposure sites in Vic.


Plus sites are now categorised into groups with required actions per category.

ie

01/01/21 2:05am

If you have visited any of the locations listed in the table below during the date and time indicated you must get tested immediately and quarantine for 14 days from the exposure.


For more detail go to

Health.vic

At the Department of Health, we’re focused on supporting Victorians to be as healthy as they can by delivering a world-class health system that focuses on improving patient outcomes and experiences.

t.co

 

[Pushka]

It seems there has never been a theoretical step / policy after flatten the curve. But the best anyone anywhere on this planet and/or throughout human history has come up with is have a semi-normal existence until science catches up (eg improved treatments and/or vaccine) or the world gets lucky (eg the virus mutates to a non-dangerous form).

I think that sums it up perfectly.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

DHHS testing commander Jeroen Weimar says there are no new COVID cases in Victoria overnight. Still 8 cases linked to the outbreak this week. 3 new cases in hotel quarantine.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1344761861477081088

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[moa999]

It seems there has never been a theoretical step / policy after flatten the curve.

I think most states are operating under a suppress or eliminate model.

The difference being those believing in elimination have been lucky.

 

[Pushka]

Just checking facts. Patient zero entered Victoria from NSW before any border controls were in place? And the three women reported earlier were simply unlucky to develop it initially from the restaurant and one gave it to their mother?

 

[serfty]

Just checking facts. Patient zero entered Victoria from NSW before any border controls were in place? And the three women reported earlier were simply unlikely.

... unlucky ...

The Victorian in NSW came home to Victoria on 19th Dec.

Border controls were introduced (later?) that day.

From the Herald-Sun:

HOW IT IS BELIEVED TO HAVE SPREAD​

DECEMBER 17-19: Victorian person in NSW is exposed to COVID-19
DECEMBER 19: The Victorian returns to Melbourne from NSW
DECEMBER 19: Anyone travelling from NSW to Victoria must obtain a permit. Those who had been to the northern beaches of Sydney since December 11 are banned from travelling to Victoria.
DECEMBER 21: Returned Victorian person dines at Smile Buffalo Thai Restaurant in Black Rock. The person sits with two people who are close contacts of Case 1 — a woman in her 40s from Mitcham. Also at the restaurant was a woman from Mentone who became Case 2. A family member from a separate household in Hallam became Case 3.
DECEMBER 30: Cases 1, 2, and 3 are detected.
DECEMBER 31: Five more cases are detected. There are 70 close contacts in isolation but this figure is likely to rise.

Fears thousands exposed to coronavirus in Victoria as authorities battle 10-day delay

 

[moa999]

Just checking facts. Patient zero entered Victoria from NSW before any border controls were in place?

At yesterday's Vic conference it wasn't confirmed (still awaiting test results) but the suspected patient 0 entered Vic on 18-Dec (the first NSW case wasn't reported until 17-Dec, and Victoria didn't move to close their borders until 20-Dec, and to Victorians on 21-Dec)

 

[lovetravellingoz]

...
The Victorian in NSW came home to Victoria on 19th Dec.

Border controls were introduced (later?) that day.

From the Herald-Sun:

HOW IT IS BELIEVED TO HAVE SPREAD​

DECEMBER 17-19: Victorian person in NSW is exposed to COVID-19
DECEMBER 19: The Victorian returns to Melbourne from NSW
DECEMBER 19: Anyone travelling from NSW to Victoria must obtain a permit. Those who had been to the northern beaches of Sydney since December 11 are banned from travelling to Victoria.
DECEMBER 21: Returned Victorian person dines at Smile Buffalo Thai Restaurant in Black Rock. The person sits with two people who are close contacts of Case 1 — a woman in her 40s from Mitcham. Also at the restaurant was a woman from Mentone who became Case 2. A family member from a separate household in Hallam became Case 3.
DECEMBER 30: Cases 1, 2, and 3 are detected.
DECEMBER 31: Five more cases are detected. There are 70 close contacts in isolation but this figure is likely to rise.

Fears thousands exposed to coronavirus in Victoria as authorities battle 10-day delay

At yesterday's Vic conference it wasn't confirmed (still awaiting test results) but the suspected patient 0 entered Vic on 18-Dec (the first NSW case wasn't reported until 17-Dec, and Victoria didn't move to close their borders until 20-Dec, and to Victorians on 21-Dec)

If patient zero is in the 5 reported cases from yesterday then it is likely that they were case who was a male in their 40s.

 

[jakeseven7]

I think most states are operating under a suppress or eliminate model.

The difference being those believing in elimination have been lucky.

The problem is very simple - all states (except NSW) are operating on the fake ‘suppression goal’ (actually elimination because they all achieved it) whilst NSW is operating on the real suppression goal and is being punished for following that goal by all the other states....

Unfortunately this is going to continue to happen again and again and again until widespread effective vaccination -because NSW will continue to have outbreaks in this goal and won’t put in place measures the other states use, because they are working to a different goal.

The Feds have no power and worse, no motive to wade in to do anything about it apart from squawk from the sidelines sometimes.

The only lever they have is the looking removal of Jobkeeper/seeker. Which will punish the trigger happy states slightly more. That’s about it.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Wastewater monitoring has detected viral fragments in Lakes Entrance, Vic.