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Wasn't there some previous discussion on the state of contact tracing in Victoria? All quite manual

NSW has a superior set up.
There have been various discussions of how it became overwhelmed when massive numbers. I haven’t come across any robust discussion in the media or elsewhere of the early responses of DHHS when the first Quarantine breaches were identified via positive cases in hotel staff and/or security guards.
 

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There have been various discussions of how it became overwhelmed when massive numbers. I haven’t come across any robust discussion in the media or elsewhere of the early responses of DHHS when the first Quarantine breaches were identified via positive cases in hotel staff and/or security guards.
There was some stuff in the inquiry. On top of systemic issues in the contact tracing system, they battled with non-disclosure of information, and there were various reasons for that. (ie. for various reasons, infected people were withholding details)
 

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Wasn't there some previous discussion on the state of contact tracing in Victoria? All quite manual

NSW has a superior set up.
Past tense. NSW had a superior set up. VIC rolled out a new system weeks ago now and also decentralised, basically mirroring NSW set up now.

They are now in the process of building interfaces so it talks to other states systems (all states are doing this now, even QLD)
 
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My hope is that the rest of the issues aren’t swept under the carpet and blamed on the former health minister approving private security. It’s at best naive and at worst a diversion.
And this is exactly why I have a level of distrust in opening up the borders with Victoria too soon. I don't think they yet have a great handle on what happens if there is another outbreak, as there surely will be. I think NSW has done an amazing job in this extremely important function, and Qld and SA have done very well also.
 

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And this is exactly why I have a level of distrust in opening up the borders with Victoria too soon. I don't think they yet have a great handle on what happens if there is another outbreak, as there surely will be. I think NSW has done an amazing job in this extremely important function, and Qld and SA have done very well also.
Given how well they handled the Casey outbreak and shut it down, I think they do in fact have a great handle on it now.
 

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Past tense. NSW had a superior set up. VIC rolled out a new system weeks ago now and also decentralised, basically mirroring NSW set up now.

They are now in the process of building interfaces so it talks to other states systems (all states are doing this now, even QLD)
The question was how it got away from Vic. Any answer needs to be in the oast tense.

From a technical perspective Vic is moving away from the Microsoft CRM platform also used by NSW. It is putting in place a Salesforce solution similar to that used by SA and WA (and California)
 

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I think the lack of effectiveness had/has more to do with the centralisation vs decentralisation of health workers, process and staffing levels, then whether you a Microsoft or salesforce software solution. A CRM is CRM, different brands can talk to each other, I know I've managed implementations and migrations of multiple varieties.

There must have been something lacking in how/what questions were being asked, how they liaised with the communities impacted, why they didnt leverage local knowledge etc and how they then mismanaged active cases to get out of control.

When anyone raises concerns over Vic contract tracing someone says oh well any system would be overwhelmed at those numbers, completely missing the point of if contract tracing and outbreak management had been better earlier the numbers wouldn't have got out of control and wouldn't have been able to overwhelm a system with better processes.

A friend who is a teacher in Geelong, said her school had a case in late June. As soon as the parent called the school (note parent no one from Vic Health or whatever it is called), the school worked out all the kids and teachers who had been in same class and sent home notices, they also supplied this info to government, but heard nothing from the health guys for 3 weeks, by which time the incubation period was up.
 

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And this is exactly why I have a level of distrust in opening up the borders with Victoria too soon. I don't think they yet have a great handle on what happens if there is another outbreak, as there surely will be. I think NSW has done an amazing job in this extremely important function, and Qld and SA have done very well also.
NSW certainly didn't the first time around.
And the second time around they had learned their lesson jumped quickly with the advantage of better digital infrastructure v VIC's paper based (!) and decentralised operations and seeded with numbers a fraction of the VIC outbreak - same with QLD and SA they really are not at all comparable situations and worse not really particularly helpful to do so anymore.

There then was a sharing of knowledge bilaterally, NSW even took some learnings back about VIC's new rapid response teams - if you recall NSW had big issues with Crossroads in this space. No one is perfect.

It is pretty clear what went wrong in VIC, just because it isn't spelled out in a $3M / multi month inquiry doesn't mean it hasn't been fixed - they did a detailed presentation about it a few weeks ago going through all of this - but unfortunately there is a public and media expectation that everything has its own inquiry / royal commission etc etc these days to explain things - which just costs buckets of money and more importantly time which no one has.

The recent Casey cluster was completely squashed (so far!) using their new approach, they called it the first 'road test' of the suite of new systems, infrastructure and a decentralised approach.
 
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Past tense. NSW had a superior set up. VIC rolled out a new system weeks ago now and also decentralised, basically mirroring NSW set up now.
And this is exactly why I have a level of distrust in opening up the borders with Victoria too soon. I don't think they yet have a great handle on what happens if there is another outbreak, as there surely will be. I think NSW has done an amazing job in this extremely important function, and Qld and SA have done very well also.
There was commentary yesterday, NSW is looking into swapping to the new VIC system for contact tracing.

Lots of comments here referring to what was and not what currently is.
 

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History is a great predictor of future unless hard lessons have been learnt.
Sure thing, its just people in this 24/7 news cycle can't get across all the updates that aren't headline grabbing enough.

If you have a spare 30 mins you can go back and watch the presentation Dr Cheng did on contact tracing improvements.

But you don't have time, like everyone else! (not a criticism).

It has been detailed out many times what has been improved, to the extent that the much lauded NSW solution is also changing their approach to match some VIC elements as well, which is great as both states, Australia benefits.
 

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Is there a flagging of an early half step?...courtesy of abc COVID live blog


Premier Daniel Andrews:

In terms of the rolling 14-day average to 28 September, Metro 18.2 cases per day.

Regional just 0.6 cases per day.

That is, again, proof beyond question that the strategy is working and that's something that is absolutely the work of every single Victorian what's following the rules and playing their part.

That should lead to a sense of confidence and optimism that we took a substantial step on Sunday and we are well placed to take an even more substantial step towards that COVID normal on or about 18 or 19 October.
 

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If you have a spare 30 mins you can go back and watch the presentation Dr Cheng did on contact tracing improvements.
Agree. And I mentioned him a few pages back that he does seem to be a good communicator and more focused on the task than his predecessor. I just hope the bureaucracy allows him to take control of the situation.

I would hope the strategy is working. Victoria has closed down. There is nowhere for the virus to go. If it didn't work then there is no hope.
 

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Is there a flagging of an early half step?...

If you mean COVID normal on or about 18 or 19 October. ..then Dan on Sunday mentioned that they are hopeful that Metro Step 3 would be about a week earlier than the original target date, and so that would be going to Metro Step 3.

- Metro Step 2 included a a number of extra relaxations and more people back to work
- Metro Step 3 they announced that they are hopeful of going to a week or so early.

Note that with Metro Step 1 as time went on that they announced some minor relaxations. ie Car Servicing was allowed when it was originally not allowed. Some extra health services etc.

So with ongoing restrictions the precedent is already there that that may adjust between Steps, as well as the Step itself.
 
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Victoria has closed down. There is nowhere for the virus to go. If it didn't work then there is no hope. .
It did not actually close.

Even in Step 1 there was substantially more work, selected businesses open (ie Bunnings), more food outlets and shops open (ie butchers, bakers, green grocers) and selected services than in NZ had during their lockdown.

So more severe measures could have been introduced but were deemed not necessary.
 

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Nsw reports 2 new cases both in quarantine

NSW Health Twitter notes “For the fourth day in a row, NSW has not reported a single locally acquired case of #COVID19.”
 

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