A380 flight cam and mainstairs not available to business class pax

[amaroo]

Even if there were a couple of ropes (top and bottom of the stairs) with a message hanging off them saying 'no passengers past this point'?

Seems like a simple solution to me. IIRC other A380 operators employ similar solutions.

Won't stop all the selfish tossers.....but it would stop a fair chunk of them. Just like the curtains do.....

 

[knightman7]

Had a great CSM making sure the J pax coming down the stairs were sent back up on my last flight. Saw it happen several times.

 

[pagingjoan]

Recent QF9 flight had a number of visits from J pax to F toilets, that I observed, including PJ changing.

After my second wait, for that reason, I did make gentle mention to one of the cabin crew who promised to keep a lookout. It does seem like whinging, I feel, but it is a bit annoying.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I think a theatre style rope was looked at but there was the risk that during turbulence someone could grab onto it and possibly fall down the stairs. As for at the bottom of the stairs, well people would just move it anyway. There a plenty of placards that passengers ignore now. This would be another one.

Then us Aussies must be a pretty slow lot.

Other airlines manage to have ropes separating cabins with seemingly little personal injury.

It sounds to me like QF just didn't want to do that, and are happy for business class to use the F WCs.

How about an announcement (played in the business class cabin only) that passengers must not go down the stairs? Plenty of airlines do that as well.

 

[opusman]

Again, with ropes on the stairs, how would F pax come up to use the lounge?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Again, with ropes on the stairs, how would F pax come up to use the lounge?

The same way F class pax move through ropes on every other plane where they are in existence. If an F class pax can't do that, what are they gonna do when they get to the lounge and find it's full? Melt down? They should be able to deal with things as the need arises

I don't think we need to dumb down First pax becuase business class pax have a sense of entitlement.

 

[milehighclub]

Then us Aussies must be a pretty slow lot.

Other airlines manage to have ropes separating cabins with seemingly little personal injury.

It sounds to me like QF just didn't want to do that, and are happy for business class to use the F WCs.

How about an announcement (played in the business class cabin only) that passengers must not go down the stairs? Plenty of airlines do that as well.

And those other airlines have learnt from us. Emirates used to only have a retractable rope at the back stairs (at the top). Took for something to happen until they changed it to the design Qantas has.

 

[jb747]

Ropes and stairs do not mix. Won't happen. Nor will a curtain.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Ropes and stairs do not mix. Won't happen. Nor will a curtain.

Interesting. What is the reasoning behind this?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

And those other airlines have learnt from us. Emirates used to only have a retractable rope at the back stairs (at the top). Took for something to happen until they changed it to the design Qantas has.

I understand the rear galley has service carts etc which could potentially go down the stairs without proper restraint - hence the solid design of the barrier there?

not sure how that translates to the forward stairs?

 

[jb747]

Interesting. What is the reasoning behind this?

I'd have thought it rather obvious. Mix a couple of drinks with a relatively dark set of stairs, and someone will manage to trip and fall. Many someones....

A rope is ineffective. If F passengers can move it, I'm sure the J passengers are just as capable.

So, it's not any good at its job, and it represents a danger to many. What use is it then?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I'd have thought it rather obvious. Mix a couple of drinks with a relatively dark set of stairs, and someone will manage to trip and fall. Many someones....

A rope is ineffective. If F passengers can move it, I'm sure the J passengers are just as capable.

So, it's not any good at its job, and it represents a danger to many. What use is it then?

unfortunately it's not obvious, because I see it on other airlines and wonder why qantas can't do it.

the ropes are held by magnets, and as such I can't see a tripping hazard. they are at waist height.

maybe the stairs themselves are a hazard, but the rope I can't see as being the cause of the problem.

passengers are used to curtains and ropes being an indicator that they cannot move forward on an aircraft. Is there something special or unusual about the Qantas a380 that poses more of a health hazard than any other operator of that type?

 

[jb747]

unfortunately it's not obvious, because I see it on other airlines and wonder why qantas can't do it.

the ropes are held by magnets, and as such I can't see a tripping hazard. they are at waist height.

People fall over the rope dividers in airports...and they are at waist height. You need very little to make someone who may already be a tad unsteady fall over. And even an unsecured (at one end) rope represents a hazard. You, personally, may never fall over this sort of thing, but there are many for whom even their own feet represent a hazard.

PAs will be ignored. Read the pages here and you'll find many, many comments by people who make a habit of ignoring crew instructions. I suspect that a PA would actually have the effect of telling more people that there may be toilets available for their use downstairs, and so might add to the problem.

 

[milehighclub]

passengers are used to curtains and ropes being an indicator that they cannot move forward on an aircraft.

But that hasn't stopped anyone on any aircraft from ever moving forward. On the 747, J class always used to try and use the F toilets. It just so happened that the galley was also right there and crew could stop them, but if the crew were out in the cabin or busy, then the toilet would be used.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

But that hasn't stopped anyone on any aircraft from ever moving forward. On the 747, J class always used to try and use the F toilets. It just so happened that the galley was also right there and crew could stop them, but if the crew were out in the cabin or busy, then the toilet would be used.

l accept that. But if nothing is said, and there are no physical barriers, more people rather than fewer might be tempted to wander.

I really don't get how some airlines can get it right, but others will come up with all sorts of excuses why something can't be done?

Thai Airways manages a solid screen door on their 747s to block access to F lavs, Qantas has a solid door to separate premium economy and business class. BA uses red ropes across the aisle. I'm sure if there's a will there's a way.

 

[milehighclub]

Thai Airways manages a solid screen door on their 747s to block access to F lavs, Qantas has a solid door to separate premium economy and business class. BA uses red ropes across the aisle. I'm sure if there's a will there's a way.

That door isn't to separate the two cabins - it mean's the toilet is being used as an accessible toilet. It should never be out during the flight.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

That door isn't to separate the two cabins - it mean's the toilet is being used as an accessible toilet. It should never be out during the flight.

Thanks for the explanation! I read a trip report where someone had taken a photo but didn't mention it was only temporary. It was the first time I had seen it.

 

[Clivem]

Thai Airways manages a solid screen door on their 747s to block access to F lavs, Qantas has a solid door to separate premium economy and business class. BA uses red ropes across the aisle. I'm sure if there's a will there's a way.

Small moat at threshold of F cabin.
Shark.
Laser beam attached.
Minimal signage required.

Move on.

 

[albatross710]

LAX
TBIT
Gate 148

Both Serfty and DC3 are close. I must admit I didn't record which gate.

It was at LAX, TBIT.

 

[Buzzard]

Again, with ropes on the stairs, how would F pax come up to use the lounge?

Limbo dance?