(Eff Jan 14) Qantas increase points required for (some= discount Y) domestic upgrades

[Platinum A332]

Grrrr......basically 10000 points instead of 8000 for zone one, 15000 instead of 12000 for zone two, 20000 instead of 16000 for zone three.


Link here - Frequent Flyer - Using Points - Flight Upgrades - Domestic Flight Upgrades (inc. 2014 Changes)


Another devaluation of the QFF Program

 

[MH_fan]

Boo! Where's the unlike button?!

 

[markis10]

Link is broken, and where is the notice required? Perhaps you got a glimpse of one of many enhancements shortly to be vested on is, hope not?

Edit , did some digging and we have notice ( have modified the title to reflect the effective date), its for discount Y only:



Points needed for a Domestic Flight Upgrade Award to Business confirmed until 13 January 2014*
Zone One-Way Miles Discount Economy^ Economy^
1 0-600 8,000 5,000
2 601-1,200 12,000 7,500
3 1,201-2,400 16,000 10,000
4 2,401-3,600 24,000 15,000

Points needed for a Domestic Flight Upgrade Award to Business confirmed from 14 January 2014*
Zone One-Way Miles Discount Economy^ Economy^
1 0-600 10,000 5,000
2 601-1,200 15,000 7,500
3 1,201-2,400 20,000 10,000
4 2,401-3,600 30,000 15,000

 

[cmon0005]

Re: (Eff Jan 14) Qantas increase points required for (some= discount Y) domestic upgr

What a joke it was already pretty bad value at 8000 points for a mel -syd 1hr flight.. Now they better not do this to intl,it's already bad enough having to buy a higher fare then play upgrade lottery!

 

[serfty]

Re: (Eff Jan 14) Qantas increase points required for (some= discount Y) domestic upgr

[-]It's the longer segments they are hitting with a 25% increase.[/-]

I guess those small plates cost some.

Under the T&Cs

3.2 Qantas will use best efforts to advise Members of material changes to these Terms and Conditions and, where such changes will limit Benefits: (a) where the Benefit is provided by Qantas, to give Members at least 3 months notice; (b) where the Benefit is provided by a third party, where possible give Members at least 30 days notice.

 

[markis10]

Re: (Eff Jan 14) Qantas increase points required for (some= discount Y) domestic upgr

It's the longer segments they are hitting with a 25% increase.

I guess those small plates cost some.

Under the T&Cs

Its 25% across the board, regardless of distance.

 

[Kangol]

Re: (Eff Jan 14) Qantas increase points required for (some= discount Y) domestic upgr

Its 25% across the board, regardless of distance.

Not for international:
Frequent Flyer - Using Points - Flight Upgrades - International Flight Upgrades

 

[markis10]

Re: (Eff Jan 14) Qantas increase points required for (some= discount Y) domestic upgr

Not for international:
Frequent Flyer - Using Points - Flight Upgrades - International Flight Upgrades

This thread is about the increase in costs by 25% to upgrade discount economy Jan14 onwards for domestic, there has been no change to international probably because there are not that many fare buckets eligible by comparison.

 

[boomy]

Re: (Eff Jan 14) Qantas increase points required for (some= discount Y) domestic upgr

Looks like QF wants to sell more flexi tickets.
I guess that people who are traveling for business paid by their work place will be more likely to do that as they can save 50% on their points upgrade.

 

[Pleb Status]

Re: (Eff Jan 14) Qantas increase points required for (some= discount Y) domestic upgr

At least they did not enhance the long haul upgrade cost. A 25% increase in a zone 10 upgrade would result in the number of points required being nearly the same as for a classic reward ticket (96000*1.25=120000 vs 128000).

Domestic upgrades must be popular. Is this change as a result of being able to upgrade from Red E-deals now?

 

[lovestotravel]

Re: (Eff Jan 14) Qantas increase points required for (some= discount Y) domestic upgr

Domestic upgrades must be popular. Is this change as a result of being able to upgrade from Red E-deals now?

Hard to say, as I can pretty much find 2 J seats on a classic award on most domestic routes with little notice so not sure they are that popular...

Of course a quick phone call to make it a JASA and all is well

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Re: (Eff Jan 14) Qantas increase points required for (some= discount Y) domestic upgr

I'm confused as to what happened to the three month notice requirement?

 

[serfty]

Re: (Eff Jan 14) Qantas increase points required for (some= discount Y) domestic upgr

I'm confused as to what happened to the three month notice requirement?

Maybe Qantas hoping that gets missed.

Frequent Flyer - About the Program - Terms & Conditions

I am in no doubt that such increase in points cost for upgrades is a change that comes under "where such changes will limit Benefits".

 

[nlagalle]

Re: (Eff Jan 14) Qantas increase points required for (some= discount Y) domestic upgr

I'm confused as to what happened to the three month notice requirement?

Is three months required? It isn't a material change to the program (ata removal as a reference)

It's simply a "price rise". Same as paying "taxes" on award flights. We don't get 3 months notice when they bump fuel fines up.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Re: (Eff Jan 14) Qantas increase points required for (some= discount Y) domestic upgr

Is three months required? It isn't a material change to the program (ata removal as a reference)

It's simply a "price rise". Same as paying "taxes" on award flights. We don't get 3 months notice when they bump fuel fines up.

benefit is defined in the terms and conditions:

'Benefits' means any of the facilities, discounts, services or arrangements offered or available to a Member as a result of membership in Qantas Frequent Flyer including earning and redeeming Points and Awards;

 

[nlagalle]

Re: (Eff Jan 14) Qantas increase points required for (some= discount Y) domestic upgr

benefit is defined in the terms and conditions:

'Benefits' means any of the facilities, discounts, services or arrangements offered or available to a Member as a result of membership in Qantas Frequent Flyer including earning and redeeming Points and Awards;

Yes and the "benefit" is still there..

 

[serfty]

Re: (Eff Jan 14) Qantas increase points required for (some= discount Y) domestic upgr

Yes and the "benefit" is still there..

Certainly ... but - "where such changes will limit Benefits" ...

... the benefit is being limited by increasing the amount of points to be required.

Before this change, 40K QFF points would allow 5 MEL/SYD upgrades; after this change only 4.

To me that is a change that "will limit Benefits".

 

[nlagalle]

Re: (Eff Jan 14) Qantas increase points required for (some= discount Y) domestic upgr

Certainly ... but - "where such changes will limit Benefits" ...

... the benefit is being limited by increasing the amount of points to be required.

Before this change, 40K QFF points would allow 5 MEL/SYD upgrades; after this change only 4.

To me that is a change that "will limit Benefits".

Disagree. The benefit is still there. It's no different to adding fuel fines to award flights. It just costs you more now. It's not limiting either. Just as you need cash to book an award flight for taxes you need points for an upgrade.

 

[eastwest101]

Re: (Eff Jan 14) Qantas increase points required for (some= discount Y) domestic upgr

Yes and the "benefit" is still there..

....but at a higher redemption rate/cost to get the benefit. I can see ngaelle's point about it also being an "effective price rise" as well as being a material change to the benefits of the QFF programme. Bit of a grey area isn't it?

 

[serfty]

Re: (Eff Jan 14) Qantas increase points required for (some= discount Y) domestic upgr

Disagree. The benefit is still there. It's no different to adding fuel fines to award flights. It just costs you more now. It's not limiting either. Just as you need cash to book an award flight for taxes you need points for an upgrade.

I disagree with you.

Or to put it another way, IMHO you are wrong!

How can it be not limiting if you only have 40K points in the first place?