I think I've become an intolerant QP snob!

[oz_mark]

As a WP flying in fully paid J class, I would have thought that I would be entitled to dress how I want.

The dress standards for the Qantas Club is smart casual, as administered by the local manager. A WP flying J is as bound by the dress code as anyone else.

 

[JohnK]

It is not just about dress standards but also behaviour.

In the Qantas First Lounge in SYD right now and the place is a mess. Noise everywhere. So much for relaxing before a flight.

And to make it worse have had this guy come and sit a few metres away from me near the desktops and has been on the phone for around 20-25 minutes in some foreign tongue. And now he is walking around on the same phone call. I hate people who have no consideration for others. Just as well my flight is boarding but it looks he is on my flight. Hope he is nowhere near my 40G....

 

[Paddy55]

As a WP flying in fully paid J class, I would have thought that I would be entitled to dress how I want.

Couldn't disagree with you more!
There are dress codes for many places you go in life and paying J shouldn't entitle you to dress any differently to people in deep whY or on award travel.

 

[Paddy55]

It is not just about dress standards but also behaviour.

In the Qantas First Lounge in SYD right now and the place is a mess. Noise everywhere. So much for relaxing before a flight.

And to make it worse have had this guy come and sit a few metres away from me near the desktops and has been on the phone for around 20-25 minutes in some foreign tongue. And now he is walking around on the same phone call. I hate people who have no consideration for others. Just as well my flight is boarding but it looks he is on my flight. Hope he is nowhere near my 40G....

... and noise was right up there in my original grizzle!

 

[amaroo]

It is not just about dress standards but also behaviour.

In the Qantas First Lounge in SYD right now and the place is a mess. Noise everywhere. So much for relaxing before a flight.

And just like the QP - it gets louder with every pour.

 

[drewbles]

As a WP flying in fully paid J class, I would have thought that I would be entitled to dress how I want.

If you 'dine' in a 'J Class' restaurant are you also entitled to 'dress how you want'?

There's certain basic rules of hygiene. There's also some expectation of a neat and tidy appearance. Remember, once upon a time, flying was a luxury that people wore their Sunday best for!

 

[SeatBackForward]

As a WP flying in fully paid J class, I would have thought that I would be entitled to dress how I want.

It entitles you to a business class seat and business class service. You still have to conform to socities accepted norms.

 

[SeatBackForward]

This has become quite an interesting thread. My take on the whole matter is that w**kers come in all forms, and you certainly can't generalise. The grievance here seems to stem that there are people, notably "blue collar" who are flying equally if not more frequently than what was traditionally a white collar norm. Get over it. thats my answer. The whole issue around status / lounges is tied in to Frequent Flyer programs. If they're flying more, then they are entitled to it. They're also keeping alive the airline that you tavel on. Its people who try to isloate themselves from the rest of the world that become the most vulnerable to it too.

 

[11sjw]

As a WP flying in fully paid J class, I would have thought that I would be entitled to dress how I want.

It entitles you to a business class seat and business class service. You still have to conform to socities accepted norms.

Agree with this to an extent. No problem if someone wants to sit in J wearing boardies, tank top & thongs provided they don't stink. I also don't have a problem with that person being denied entry to a Lounge due to said attire not conforming to the required dress code.

 

[harvyk]

It entitles you to a business class seat and business class service. You still have to conform to socities accepted norms.

Wearing your Sunday best is usually now reserved for weddings, funerals and christenings, that is now an accepted norm of society.

For all of the places with dress codes, flying is the place it makes the least sense, IMHO. Take an average flight, you're placed into a small area near lots of other people and forced to sit there for hours on end, IMHO comfort is now the name of the game. So provided that you are not wearing something which could be deemed offensive (eg T-Shirts with less than savoury messages on them), then how you dress really isn't anyone else's business.

For what it's worth, most of the time I fly, I'm in jeans and a short sleeve shirt (hate wearing suits for no reason), but I have done the boardies, T-shirt and thongs thing before, and it was a very comfortable way to fly.

 

[oz_mark]

For what it's worth, most of the time I fly, I'm in jeans and a short sleeve shirt (hate wearing suits for no reason), but I have done the boardies, T-shirt and thongs thing before, and it was a very comfortable way to fly.

Pity your feet if there is an accident/evacuation in any of your travel!

 

[Katie]

Just be careful-I might be working in Karratha next year.Though i dont think I will be in Fluoro!

Go on Drron ... surely you've got some fluoro golf shorts???

 

[muppet]

Agree with this to an extent. No problem if someone wants to sit in J wearing boardies, tank top & thongs provided they don't stink. I also don't have a problem with that person being denied entry to a Lounge due to said attire not conforming to the required dress code.

It's not enforced sadly.
Case in point - Tuesday AM CBR J Lounge - peasant wearing tank top, tracksuit pants and thongs. Seriously - get out. Same with the gym gear in Hilton Exec Lounges.
Enforce these peasants out! I have no issue with blue collar/high vis/poor - but just luck of civility - they need to be marginalised, they'll then adapt to be decent people.

And re: sitting in J - FWIW VA has a dress code in the conditions of carriage (they dont seem to be enforced).

Just my (admittedly judgemental) thoughts.

m

 

[puppysparkes]

Very true, as I understand it Qantas will look to class flights from the FIFIO terminal as charter flights, therefore preventing ff points and SC earned on those legs. The terminals will have the capacity for mining companies to hold induction or on-going training programs. This allows staff to be informed of any new developments before they enter the site. Additionally, it also limits FIFO's from being poached by rival companies, which apparently occurs if

 

[drewbles]

For all of the places with dress codes, flying is the place it makes the least sense, IMHO. Take an average flight, you're placed into a small area near lots of other people and forced to sit there for hours on end, IMHO comfort is now the name of the game. So provided that you are not wearing something which could be deemed offensive (eg T-Shirts with less than savoury messages on them), then how you dress really isn't anyone else's business.

Being comfortable does not need to come at the cost of looking respectable though. It's not hard to wear a neat polo shirt, jeans and comfortable shoes (or neat shorts and a shirt, not even collared if you don't like polo type shirts).

I'm certainly not going to wear a shirt and tie for a holiday, but I like to feel respectable, no matter what cabin i'm travelling in. That said, i'm not going to dress up for F either. I feel neat/smart casual is more than sufficient.

I'd be happy to slob around my house in 'comfort' in shorts/thongs/t-shirt, but i'm happy to be a different kind of comfortable on a plane

 

[Deleted member]

This has become quite an interesting thread. My take on the whole matter is that w**kers come in all forms, and you certainly can't generalise. The grievance here seems to stem that there are people, notably "blue collar" who are flying equally if not more frequently than what was traditionally a white collar norm. Get over it. thats my answer. The whole issue around status / lounges is tied in to Frequent Flyer programs. If they're flying more, then they are entitled to it. They're also keeping alive the airline that you tavel on. Its people who try to isloate themselves from the rest of the world that become the most vulnerable to it too.

Good point. Also bear in mind, as the situation re mining boom wanes in the future, so too will the numbers flying.
In any event if it bothers you , let the airline know and ask the question about dress code.
In the end the best way is to set a standard yourself and stick to it.

 

[Paddy55]

This has become quite an interesting thread. My take on the whole matter is that w**kers come in all forms, and you certainly can't generalise. The grievance here seems to stem that there are people, notably "blue collar" who are flying equally if not more frequently than what was traditionally a white collar norm. Get over it. thats my answer. The whole issue around status / lounges is tied in to Frequent Flyer programs. If they're flying more, then they are entitled to it. They're also keeping alive the airline that you tavel on. Its people who try to isloate themselves from the rest of the world that become the most vulnerable to it too.

From my OP:

"I don't know whether the large FIFO presence here is getting louder, more boisterous and less caring about dress standards or whether i've become an intolerant snob, but gee I wish there was a J lounge/Plat/Emerald lounge here."

I've not questioned people's entitlement to be in lounges... but I particularly don't see why their excessive noise should make my experience any worse.
I've also seen and acknowledged some good ideas in the thread re, say, a Sports Bar, where people can let off steam, etc, etc as a "win-win"

Don't think I've anything to "get over" as you so quaintly put it.

 

[BAM1748]

What they need to do is they need to employ a behaviour rule...

A person who acts badley in the lounge is given one warning, if it continues they are ejected from the lounge. Be ejected from the lounge 3 times in a membership year and they get a one year ban on entering any lounge, regardless of the memberships brought or the SC's earnt.

Furthermore if banned, and they are on a company fare, then the company would also be notified of the ban.

Lets face it, if I acted in the way some ppl do in the QP down at my local RSL, I'd be kicked out and asked not to return.

I'd be a lot harder than that, if you can't behave and need to be asked to leave your access is denied for a year. Zipping your mouth for an hour or two and sipping on a beer should not be that hard.

I myself have a mining background in WA, NT and Tas, and I can say that once 3 or more fluros get together with beer it's not a pretty sight, actually back when I was a miner we didn't need fluro shirts and would never have considered getting on a plane with out washing and a change of clothes.

Standards have declined.

Matt

 

[Pleb Status]

What they need to do is they need to employ a behaviour rule...

A person who acts badley in the lounge is given one warning, if it continues they are ejected from the lounge. Be ejected from the lounge 3 times in a membership year and they get a one year ban on entering any lounge, regardless of the memberships brought or the SC's earnt.

Furthermore if banned, and they are on a company fare, then the company would also be notified of the ban.

Lets face it, if I acted in the way some ppl do in the QP down at my local RSL, I'd be kicked out and asked not to return.

Why stop there! If someone allows their kids to run rampant in the lounge they should be subject to the same conditions.

 

[BAM1748]

I couldn't agree more. The days of drunken miners / construction workers are well past. There is NOT a site I have been on in the last 5-6 years where breath testing was not compulsory and drug analysis more frequent than random. In fact, I did a pee in the jar yesterday for access to a Rio Tinto site this week and the week after, and I will probably be tested randomly again during my visits.

At a SITE yes, but once they clock off it's a different story.