Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[Seat0B]

Wonder if there is a case of liability on the Queensland government for causing an otherwise healthy domestic traveller to catch covid from by bizarrely putting him on the same floor as international travellers?

now this is a question I have repeatedly asked - surely there is an obligation on the governments, who are forcing people into quarantine with no choice about the location or who else is using the hotel, to be sure that they do not contract COVID whilst in quarantine. If that happened to me, I would be absolutely furious.

 

[Saab34]

Adelaide press conference at 3pm. Hopefully not about positives however wouldn’t be surprised.

 

[I love to travel]

now this is a question I have repeatedly asked - surely there is an obligation on the governments, who are forcing people into quarantine with no choice about the location or who else is using the hotel, to be sure that they do not contract COVID whilst in quarantine. If that happened to me, I would be absolutely furious.

There is a saying we all know. If you keep doing the same thing over and over again don't expect anything different. I think you would have a reasonable case to sue if it could be proven that it came from the hotel.

 

[justinbrett]

now this is a question I have repeatedly asked - surely there is an obligation on the governments, who are forcing people into quarantine with no choice about the location or who else is using the hotel, to be sure that they do not contract COVID whilst in quarantine. If that happened to me, I would be absolutely furious.

And in this case, the QLD requirement of putting a regional VIC traveller in quarantine for 9 hours has led to a lockdown in Darwin. Definitely not the desired outcome!

 

[Seat0B]

You're absolutely right, having never been to Canberra (and hopefully never having to go there), I can certainly understand the appeal of wanting to get away from the dull dreary landscape that is the greater Canberra area and visit more hospitable climes like Sydney or Melbourne. Heck, I suppose many Canberrans would even stoop to visiting Perth for a week. Anything to avoid having to stare at Parliament House for a week will do!

Careful, newbie grasshopper . Canberra is a lovely place.

And no one with any common sense would be willing to risk the border slam downs in planning a trip to WA right now. Or VIC, NSW, QLD, SA, Tas, NT or NZ for that matter either. So effectively, we have a national lockdown anyway, this time just without JobKeeper.

 

[Flying mermaid]

Careful, newbie grasshopper . Canberra is a lovely place.

And no one with any common sense would be willing to risk the border slam downs in planning a trip to WA right now. Or VIC, NSW, QLD, SA, Tas, NT or NZ for that matter either. So effectively, we have a national lockdown anyway, this time just without JobKeeper.

Master FM looks like pending his visit until this mess clears up he has until early next year to renew.

 

[justinbrett]

Adelaide press conference at 3pm. Hopefully not about positives however wouldn’t be surprised.

I'd be tipping border closures (all of them)

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

The WA case is a warning to other States who have been doing test and isolate until negative. Three days of possible contagious exposure.....geez that's rough. This Delta one is rough - can be an early onset or a delayed onset.

 

[justinbrett]

The WA case is a warning to other States who have been doing test and isolate until negative. Three days of possible contagious exposure.....geez that's rough. This Delta one is rough - can be an early onset or a delayed onset.

There's a reason we don't do test & isolate for international arrivals.

 

[oznflfan]

1st August 2021 daily case figure, what's more likely:

1,000 cases locally acquired

or

0 cases locally acquired

It'll either go big, or fizzle to nada, no in between.

 

[Lynda2475]

My neighbour who is in their 60s

They are not eligible for booking via government interface and needs a referal as not a standard case, over 60s supposed to get AZ.

The website you are using (hot docs) isnt the official way to make a Pfizer appointment, maybe that is part of your problem. Try using the Vaccines Eligibility Checker which will show all the places you can get vaccinated.

The reason hot docs is showing 12th July is because you are choosing a GP channel and they are not yet part of the official rollout in NSW whereas the state run hubs which are already up and running with Profzer. GPs are not the preferred channel for Pfizer.

You can definitely get an appointment before mid July at the state run clinincs which apart from Olympic Park are all at hospitals which includes Royal North Shore and St Vincents which have availablity before then when I jsut searched.

Shouldn’t both of them have been in home quarantine for 14 days after their arrival into WA

Irrespective of WAs rules, wouldnt you be monitoring exposure site sif youd been in an affected area? The Lyfe cafe which has been listed as an exposure site for a few days. Maybe didnt check in?

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

There's a reason we don't do test & isolate for international arrivals.

Wasn't today's WA case an arrival from Sydney domestic? So I'm not sure the reason for your reference of international arrivals unless you consider WA not part of Australia or something like that.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Wasn't today's WA case an arrival from Sydney domestic? So I'm not sure the reason for your reference of international arrivals unless you consider WA not part of Australia or something like that.

I guess the OP was pointing out that there is a risk of importing the virus from both scenarios so why is one different to the other.

The quantity of risk seems irrelevant to me when zero covid is the (apparent) requirement.

 

[Saab34]

1st August 2021 daily case figure, what's more likely:

1,000 cases locally acquired

or

0 cases locally acquired

It'll either go big, or fizzle to nada, no in between.

Single digits. Perhaps teens.

July will be lockdown month for many state’s as we mop up much of this mess. As seen countless times before it’s a 4-6 week effort to get a run of donut days alongside the border reopening.

Then comes September. The dice is rolled and the next outbreak and lockdown starts.

This is our life until next Easter when it’s safe to say everyone 12 years and older has had the opportunity to get two doses.

I have basically given up on Dom travel now until next Easter.

 

[justinbrett]

Wasn't today's WA case an arrival from Sydney domestic? So I'm not sure the reason for your reference of international arrivals unless you consider WA not part of Australia or something like that.

My point is that test & isolate is patchy at best and we don't trust it for international arrivals. If you are worried about importing covid from interstate this is only a mitigation strategy, not prevention. (and I'm sure WA treats "The East" as a different country anyway)

I guess the OP was pointing out that there is a risk of importing the virus from both scenarios so why is one different to the other.

The quantity of risk seems irrelevant to me when zero covid is the (apparent) requirement.

Exactly.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

My point is that test & isolate is patchy at best and we don't trust it for international arrivals. If you are worried about importing covid from interstate this is only a mitigation strategy, not prevention. (and I'm sure WA treats "The East" as a different country anyway)


Exactly.

OK

In any case, I don't recall an Australian instance where test and isolate until negative didn't clearly work until now. There were probably some examples during the big wave in Victoria last year, but possibly not as clear because there was not a clear line of infection.

It doesn't bode well for the much-spoken - international quarantine systems used elsewhere (test and isolate until negative, home quarantine, etc)

Anecedotal evidence from Sydney where some are not staying at home and not under the 4 reasons. How do we have any hope of home quarantine, etc

 

[OATEK]

OK

In any case, I don't recall an Australian instance where test and isolate didn't clearly work until now. There were probably some examples during the big wave in Victoria last year, but possibly not as clear because its not clear the line of infection.

It doesn't bode well for the much-spoken - international quarantine systems used elsewhere (test and isolate until negative, home quarantine, etc)

Anecedotal evidence from Sydney where some are not staying at home and not under the 4 reasons. How do we have any hope of home quarantine, etc

Timing has a big part to play in all of this. In the WA case they returned from a spot where the infection was active. I am not sure when the Cafe was first listed, and if this was after their initial negative test. Were the rules test and isolate until negative? If that was the case then just shows no system is perfect.

 

[Flying mermaid]

Anecedotal evidence from Sydney where some are not staying at home and not under the 4 reasons. How do we have any hope of home quarantine, etc

I think there are quite a few people who just are not interested in obeying rules anymore. Canberra police have just booted out 50 people from Greater Sydney who had come without applying for an exemption to enter and obeying stay at home rules.

 

[Saab34]

I don’t blame SA. They are vulnerable and it’s pretty damn obvious, that Delta is about to arrive or it already has.

 

[oz_mark]

Test and isolate until negative is normally a fairly early response in WA, when there are only one or two cases around. It can certainly escalate, but is just part of the risk assessment based on what is known at the time.