The totally off-topic thread

[JohnK]

I'm from a working class background and my parents are very happily working class. None of us have ever behaved like this. Bad behavior is not something that's generally associated with social class AFAIK.
Sweeping generalizations are rarely accurate JohnK

You're a doctor? I wouldn't regard that as working class.

I know it is not nice to generalise but catch a train anywhere on the Caboolture to Ipswich line and you will see what I mean with regards to behaviour. I have done it many times with ears and eyes open. Not fun.

 

[Princess Fiona]

You're a doctor? I wouldn't regard that as working class.

I know it is not nice to generalise but catch a train anywhere on the Caboolture to Ipswich line and you will see what I mean with regards to behaviour. I have done it many times with ears and eyes open. Not fun.

I didn't say I was. I said I'm from a working class background. I've seen more than my share of poor behaviour on trains. What I don't accept is your statement that working class people don't know how to behave.
That's a generalization and you are correct it's "not nice", nor is it IMO true.

 

[QF WP]

I am so over starting a new business (like Bundy Bear)- I'm over commercial real estate salespeople. Opting for an office from the most genuine of all of them, at the top of my price range but the best facilities and 20 minutes from home and 15 mins to kids school. also handy to the airport and could be a starter for an AFF function.

Bring on 23rd October - may the transfer of clients happen seamlessly between our companies....got to love IT people being hopeful of a data transfer happening on any given date.

On a positive note, I took out all my frustration on the golf course (Wynnum) on Sunday and won my match play Quarter Final 6 and 5. Scored 40 stableford points in the comp being run alongside it, but was beaten into 3rd place by two robbers who scored 45 and 48 points respectively (funny they were playing each other in their quarter final match play, think it was 3 and 2).

Now I have to play the winner of that quarter final. Hope he doesn't have as good a round next month

 

[Princess Fiona]

I am so over starting a new business (like Bundy Bear)- I'm over commercial real estate salespeople. Opting for an office from the most genuine of all of them, at the top of my price range but the best facilities and 20 minutes from home and 15 mins to kids school. also handy to the airport and could be a starter for an AFF function.

Bring on 23rd October - may the transfer of clients happen seamlessly between our companies....got to love IT people being hopeful of a data transfer happening on any given date.

On a positive note, I took out all my frustration on the golf course (Wynnum) on Sunday and won my match play Quarter Final 6 and 5. Scored 40 stableford points in the comp being run alongside it, but was beaten into 3rd place by two robbers who scored 45 and 48 points respectively (funny they were playing each other in their quarter final match play, think it was 3 and 2).

Now I have to play the winner of that quarter final. Hope he doesn't have as good a round next month

Like the sound of the AFF function

 

[drron]

John I can certainly tell you bad manners do not have any relationship to class.I have just experienced a couple of grumpy little children on whom a Google search revealed they head large companies and have gongs for their boorish behaviour.
When in practice the patients I admired most were those from working class backgrounds who still thought it important to wear their finest to see the specialist.

 

[JohnK]

That's a generalization and you are correct it's "not nice", nor is it IMO true.

We all have different experiences. I grew up in Belmore and still live in Belmore when not working in Brisbane. Belmore is about as working class as it comes. I know how working class people behave in TABs, pubs, clubs, in the shopping centre, on the road, on trains, on buses, at home, at other people's homes etc, etc.

Sorry but I am allowed to generalise. You don't have to agree.

 

[anat0l]

Sorry but I am allowed to generalise. You don't have to agree.

I believe she doesn't.

 

[Flashback]

What a day. Was offered a new contract role today after only having had my CV put forward on Thursday. Then to top it all off... I won some tickets to the Rugby World Cup quarter finals via @HeathrowAirport !

 

[TomVexille]

This is how working class people behave. They do not know any better.

Wow, just wow. High horse much? You must really think that you're better than people

 

[medhead]

We all have different experiences. I grew up in Belmore and still live in Belmore when not working in Brisbane. Belmore is about as working class as it comes. I know how working class people behave in TABs, pubs, clubs, in the shopping centre, on the road, on trains, on buses, at home, at other people's homes etc, etc.

Sorry but I am allowed to generalise. You don't have to agree.

Being allowed to generalise still does not make you right, or correct. For all your rights your statement is still utterly wrong. A working class characterisation of your judgemental pronuncement might be rude, but it would also be completely correct.

That's before we even get onto the suggestion that tradies are working class. They stopped being working class when they became Howard's battlers. They're now small business owners, entrepreneurs, the drivers of the black economy. They earn more money than you, or I, will ever see in one place.

 

[serfty]

This is how working class people behave. They do not know any better.

So you work for a hobby?

You are of "leisure class" and for whom any work is optional?

"Working Class" in general refers to any one who needs to work to earn a salary/wage/payment in order to pay debts, live, holiday, amuse oneself including playing sport etc.

Unless you have no need to draw a salary/wage in order to do any of the above, you are indeed of "working class" by definition, not one of the "leisure class".

I am happy to refer to myself as of "working class".

 

[serfty]

.. They're now small business owners, entrepreneurs, the drivers of the black economy. They earn more money than you, or I, will ever see in one place.

They are of working class irrespective of how much they earn.

Of course once they save/invest so they can completely live off the proceeds of said investments, they are no longer "working class".

 

[anat0l]

"Working Class" in general refers to any one who needs to work to earn a salary/wage/payment in order to pay debts, live, holiday, amuse oneself including playing sport etc.

Unless you have no need to draw a salary/wage in order to do any of the above, you are indeed of "working class" by definition, not one of the "leisure class".

I am happy to refer to myself as of "working class".

I think many people seem to like to make some distinction of the "working class" similar to Basil Fawlty in Fawlty Towers; that is, they seem to have a level of sophistication or distinction that elevates them above "mere" "working class".

The similar yet inaccurate distinction would seem to equate "working class" with blue collar and higher than that ("upper class") with white collar.

 

[serfty]

Yes, There's "White Collar" and "Blue Collar" which differentiate somewhat within "Working Class".

Not really any such differentiation within "leisure class" as frankly those so don't seem to need to care! (Although, I have come across references to "Old Money" and "New Money".)

 

[JessicaTam]

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Sorry but I am allowed to generalise. You don't have to agree.

Actually John, it is generalisations that get us into trouble as a society so are best avoided.

 

[Pushka]

There is a difference between having an opinion and making generalisations.

 

[medhead]

I was probably talking in a social classification level, rather than an economic classification. But surely an absurd generalisation deserves an equivalent response?

They are of working class irrespective of how much they earn.

Of course once they save/invest so they can completely live off the proceeds of said investments, they are no longer "working class".

 

[medhead]

But he is allowed to generalise! Especially when it is about societal decline. Just because of the funny irony.

Actually John, it is generalisations that get us into trouble as a society so are best avoided.

 

[drron]

You really have to go to the "Old Dart" to appreciate class.In the mid 90's we stayed at the Royal Society of Medicine Domus-that itself is a bit pretentious.But they had a good restaurant that was much cheaper than outside so we ate there every night after the first outside experience-we were getting between 37-39 pence.Now the waiters were all Portugese.The English medicos would click there fingers and call out "Boy."We on the other hand talked to them and they would ask us about our day.So by the end of the week you would have ~ 30 English doctors shouting "Boy" whilst every waiter was at our table talking to us.I soaked up the atmosphere!

 

[JohnK]

Actually John, it is generalisations that get us into trouble as a society so are best avoided.

You might be right.

I have absolutely no doubt what so ever I am right. I grew up in the area. I visited Sydney's west regularly in the 80's and 90's as my friend lived out there. The people are loud. The people are rude. Chain your car to the driveway at night as it may not be there in the morning.

This is reality. I didn't make it up. Sure there are exceptions but this subset worries me. You can choose to ignore it and all our lives will be wonderful.