Qantas First Class menus

[pythonisman]

I can usually find something very drinkable on
QF F.
My last two flights have had RWT and Cullen's Diana Madeline so nothing to complain about there.
I also like the current selection of Champagne.

The one time I was lucky enough to fly QF F MEL-LAX; the RWT was excellent. I was still getting over a nasty flu at the time; had I have been well I would have enjoyed much more of it!

 

[NoName]

I can definitely appreciate that cheaper bottles can still be great wines and that expensive doesn't necessarily mean good but isn't part of the F experience the exclusivity of it? Some of those reds retail for $60-70 and while I'm sure they're nice, I would be disappointed if I had spent >$10k on a round ticket to be drinking these wines when EK is uncorking $400+ bottles of bin 707 & St Henri.

I guess IMO they should be looking for the best wines in a certain price bracket and $70 doesn't scream F to me. More like a very expensive J.

 

[kermatu]

I've had wines in J (multiple airlines) that retail for <$15....

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I can definitely appreciate that cheaper bottles can still be great wines and that expensive doesn't necessarily mean good but isn't part of the F experience the exclusivity of it? Some of those reds retail for $60-70 and while I'm sure they're nice, I would be disappointed if I had spent >$10k on a round ticket to be drinking these wines when EK is uncorking $400+ bottles of bin 707 & St Henri.

I guess IMO they should be looking for the best wines in a certain price bracket and $70 doesn't scream F to me. More like a very expensive J.

If you're forking out $10k for a ticket, you are probably already enjoying the finest wines at any time you feel like them. You don't need to fly on a plane to do that.

I don't think flying F is about the 'exclusivity'. Yes it's about privacy, and a flight tailored to your needs. But you don't need exclusivity per se to achieve that... you just need good seating and a high enough crew-to-passenger ratio. As long as you have enough crew you could have 8 seats or 58 and it wouldn't diminish the experience.

 

[NoName]

Being able to afford expensive wines outside an aircraft isn't really a good argument as to why they don't matter onboard when you pay a large sum of money for a seat in F.

To some people the experience is just as much about the food and beverage service as it is about a comfortable seat. Let's face it, J is most likely comfortable enough so I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a fairly significant upgrade in catering for the additional expense of F. Of course others may feel different but I would feel a little disappointed with a $60 bottle of red.

 

[amaroo]

I can definitely appreciate that cheaper bottles can still be great wines and that expensive doesn't necessarily mean good but isn't part of the F experience the exclusivity of it? Some of those reds retail for $60-70 and while I'm sure they're nice, I would be disappointed if I had spent >$10k on a round ticket to be drinking these wines when EK is uncorking $400+ bottles of bin 707 & St Henri.

I guess IMO they should be looking for the best wines in a certain price bracket and $70 doesn't scream F to me. More like a very expensive J.

Indeed! Posted the same thought in one of my recent TR's ... pretty disappointing all round!

 

[phily]

I don't think flying F is about the 'exclusivity'. Yes it's about privacy, and a flight tailored to your needs. But you don't need exclusivity per se to achieve that... you just need good seating and a high enough crew-to-passenger ratio. As long as you have enough crew you could have 8 seats or 58 and it wouldn't diminish the experience.

You're absolutely right MEL. In F you're basically paying for the extra floorspace and the higher FA/Pax ratio to provide the faster service that we all enjoy. They're my priorities, and so long as the F&B are very good then I'm very happy.

On a QF A380 the FA/Pax ratio in J is 1:10, whilst in F it's 1:4.6, whereas in Y it's a mere 1:46. The high ratio in F allows personalised service that is really not available in any other cabin.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Being able to afford expensive wines outside an aircraft isn't really a good argument as to why they don't matter onboard when you pay a large sum of money for a seat in F.

To some people the experience is just as much about the food and beverage service as it is about a comfortable seat. Let's face it, J is most likely comfortable enough so I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a fairly significant upgrade in catering for the additional expense of F. Of course others may feel different but I would feel a little disappointed with a $60 bottle of red.

There are of course some exceptions... you don't want a $15 bottle of champagne in First class (China Southern! as per onemileatatime). But if you are going to be 'disappointed' solely because a bottle costs $70 bottle in First, that particular First cabin may not be the one for you. The $70 bottle may be punching above its weight. It may be the perfect accompaniment to the dish. It might be a 'find' that is something new, something different.

All airlines are different - if you want the 'experience' (as opposed to amenity) you choose your airline accordingly.

 

[JessicaTam]

Being able to afford expensive wines outside an aircraft isn't really a good argument as to why they don't matter onboard when you pay a large sum of money for a seat in F.

To some people the experience is just as much about the food and beverage service as it is about a comfortable seat. Let's face it, J is most likely comfortable enough so I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a fairly significant upgrade in catering for the additional expense of F. Of course others may feel different but I would feel a little disappointed with a $60 bottle of red.

I have chosen TG F for my BKK-SYD specifically for the experience. It is an opportunity for me to try Dom and other wines that I otherwise would not. If QF are not going to go the extra mile with that, then why should I bother choosing F over J - both have a flat bed for example.

 

[boomy]

There are of course some exceptions... you don't want a $15 bottle of champagne in First class (China Southern! as per onemileatatime). But if you are going to be 'disappointed' solely because a bottle costs $70 bottle in First, that particular First cabin may not be the one for you. The $70 bottle may be punching above its weight. It may be the perfect accompaniment to the dish. It might be a 'find' that is something new, something different.

Or it may just be a disappointing $70 bottle that you can easily purchase for <$40 outside if you know where to buy.
It doesn't make sense to me that EK offer much better Aussie wines in their lounge then QF offer in their most premium F cabin!
QF serve mostly Aussie wines which can be purchased at a very convenient price, there is no excuse to offer mediocre quality.
As for the champagne, LGD is nice but airlines like BR serve the same in long haul J.
The degustation menu is nice but not memorable. The seat is good enough for points redemption but if I would be paying for F, there are plenty of airlines to choose from who offer better hart and soft products.

 

[Kangol]

It doesn't make sense to me that EK offer much better Aussie wines in their lounge then QF offer in their most premium F cabin!

What do EK offer in their lounges? I've been through the DXB F lounge a few times and don't remember seeing anything of note..

Whilst I don't want to get off topic and keep it to QF F menu offerings, I'd say in general the QF F wine list isn't as good as I'd expect, with the only F level wine I've had in 7 segments being the St Hallett Old Block 2006. Jealous of those who have had RWT/Bin 389!
The champagnes are on par with F offerings from other airlines and I'm quite happy with the ones they have. Hopefully I can try the Pol Roger on my next F flight.

Does anyone have any QF1/2 menus? Would be interested to see if the "flagship" route has anything significantly different.

 

[boomy]

What do EK offer in their lounges? I've been through the DXB F lounge a few times and don't remember seeing anything of note..

Bin 707 and other international wines of similar price range.

IIRC someone posted drinking Grange on EK F a couple of years ago, although it hasn't been seen since.

RWT and DM are good wines but even this quality of reds is inconsistent onboard QF F. You'd be lucky to get one outstanding red onboard and usually whites selection is poor. For example, QF obviously get special rates on Art Series (as we can see their Riesling and Cab Sav onboard) so why not go one step forward and bring their outstanding Chardonnay? Yes, it retails for $100 but surely QF can get it lower then that.

 

[Canny man]

Got to agree that the F wines can be hit and miss (except for the champagne which is excellent) as I've enjoyed the RWT and Art Series chard, but other times it's a bit 'upmarket J'.
Nevertheless, if the default is drinking outstanding champagne for 24 hours I have no complaints.

I have also noted that the DBX lounge can outdo the Australian wines in the F cabin you are about to board. Last week they had a Giaconda chardonnay on pour, and on my previous trip I thoroughly enjoyed a mature Yarra Yering. I shall report back next week as I have an LHR to Oz in F coming up.

 

[kermatu]

In my only two visits to the DXB F lounge the wines were definitely superior to the wines onboard QF.

 

[chooms]

QF First menu

SYD-LAX

December 2015

 

[drross]

QF First menu

SYD-LAX

December 2015

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really enjoy the Pol Roger Winnie Churchill. Had on QF Dubai-London in Sept but haven't seen it since. Great to see it back.

 

[chooms]

really enjoy the Pol Roger Winnie Churchill. Had on QF Dubai-London in Sept but haven't seen it since. Great to see it back.

Happy to report my consumption of it on that flight could be counted in bottles... :mrgreen:

 

[drross]

Happy to report my consumption of it on that flight could be counted in bottles... :mrgreen:

excellent. Hope there's some left for our next flight

 

[Kangol]

Thanks chooms for posting.
I recently came across this TR on QF8 which has the F menu.
Qantas A380 First Class DFW to SYD | SFO777

 

[Duffa]

This menu from 1965 - have things improved??