QP Perth epic fail tonight

[medhead]

Fat lot of good that is going to do. It doesn't deter their behaviour onsite, it's hardly going to deter it off site. Some people are born inconsiderate, others learn it from their parents.

They just get sacked if the behaviour onsite is bad enough. But the main loin is there people paying the airfares are going to know the reason why if employees kick up about being banned from the lounge.

 

[cove]

I am usually in the Perth lounge in the morning and pretty early if I am flying for work so I rarely see the line ups. If I am by myself I will try to talk with a fly in/out worker as these folks are the ones who keep Australia running.
With the Sydney curfew late flights during daylight saving time are not possible so I don't see the spirits drinkers very often.

 

[Willy]

The mining companies are paying for the R&R flights - most EBA's provide for FIFO's to be paid travel time - if an injury occurs to one of the FIFO's whilst being paid then you can guarantee that the ambulance chasing lawyers will swoop on the company insurers for remedies. VA Lounge and QP in Perth need mutual agreement to enforce their lounge rules - there's nothing classy about either of these two lounges - and the airlines only have themselves to blame. VA Lounge in particular has sofa's which can sit 3 people, however, more often than not, late in the evening prior to the red-eye's to the east and with the joint crowded, slobs are taking up the whole of the sofa sleeping whilst other's give up on trying to get a seat and simply walk out (who would have the courage to wake a fueled up FIFO and ask them to sit up) - standards are simply declining to the lowest denominator. These days there's nothing attractive about waiting in the lounges in T3 or T4 PER lounges late in the evenings prior to flights east.

 

[Borisdog]

I'd be surprised if many companies are paying airfares all the way to employees home port. They certainly don't for me. If point of hire is, for example, Perth then once that plane hits the tarmac in Perth you're on your own. There will be an argument for Perth based employees that that extends to when you get home. You pay your own way back to whereever, although in my case I am able to salary sacrifice my airfares. How many of you WP's have never put your own hand in your own pocket for an airfare? Or very rarely, ie the lion's share of your status comes from your company tit, but apparently FIFO workers are lesser mortals to some of you. In my case NOT ONE SC I get is paid for by my employer, it's all my wallet. That is my choice, I choose to live where i do and I choose to work for the mob I work for ( In the absence of a better offer )

I've seen plenty of idiots in the Perth QP full of piss and bad manners who have nothing to do with the mining industry and am pretty much over the bad mouthing that some of the more self styled elitists on here direct toward those who don't comply with their personal little paradigm.

As far as fit for work policies go - good luck enforcing that when some-ones on the way home! How many of you "Oh so special" business types have your little business lunch with a wine or a beer then go back to the office? That gets you instantly dismissed in the mining industry. And I do mean instantly.

 

[Melburnian1]

I am not normally entitled to enter the QF or VA domestic lounges as I do insufficient domestic flying, so perhaps I can offer an objective (but simplistic) solution.

Shouldn't QF and VA strike an agreement that neither will allow individuals wearing high visibility clothing a la tradies nor allow work boots into the lounges right around Australa?

It would not on its own quell objectionable behaviour - after all, anyone can be boorish including businessmen and women dressed in suits and for the latter the finest tailored skirts or dresses - but it might give the message that a slightly higher standard of clothing and footwear is enforced.

I suppose there's fat chance as QF and VA are competitors.

 

[mannej]

Get your flame suit ready!

 

[Melburnian1]

Very funny mannej; I suppose another reason why it might not be implemented is that employees and their mining company employers might suggest that the (largely) blokes needed to be dressed in those sort of clothes ready for work.

Nonetheless, it's undeniable that for passengers unconnected to such sectors, being surrounded by at times dirty brightly coloured safety clothing is in its own subtle (or not so subtle) way rather intimidating, especially if it is combined with alcohol intake. And I'm not even thinking of the dirt that it must deposit on the QF and VA lounge chairs and where they exist, couches.

 

[Borisdog]

My point, Melburnian1, is that if these blokes are full as boots and dressed in their high vis then I can absolutely guarantee they're NOT going to work!

They'll be on their way home. Which pretty much means their company has zero influence or say in their behaviour.

It is possible, I grant, that they're flying to site for start the following day. Largely unlikely though, given we're talking about post 7pm and the last flights for Kalgoorlie, Karratha, and the various other delightful Pilbara destinations are all around the 4-5pm mark.

 

[eastwest101]

Probably worth considering how complex this can be. Mining companies have not made it any easier on themselves by adopting a variety of different policies from "no work clothes on planes at all" right through to "thou shalt be dressed ready for work at the airport on the way to work" and then the bosses fly in for the 1 or 2 days wth HLO and obvious weight restrictions they tend to wear hi-vis on the way in and out.

I have heard just about every variety of policy there is. Also have to separate the private charter flights to mine sites from the public RPT routes in mining towns from the longer commute flights that people may do such as the work in WA (point of hire PER) but live in MEL/SYD/Others etc

The high vis stuff does make the industry more of a target but as others have pointed out - inconsiderate idiots come in all flavours from hi vis to suits to shorts and tshirts...

 

[under the radar]

as I say..."clothes don't maketh the self centered d***kh**d"...you either are one or you aren't...

 

[harvyk]

And you reckon Qantas are going to pay for all the extra security staff required to make this work. Really they should get onto the mining companies, who would all have fit of work policies, tell them they're going to crack down on drunks and ask the miners to inform their employees.

Given an airport is one of the few public places with it's own police presence, plus with trespassing laws that'll see you get a free night of accom (and a lighter wallet) if you ignore them, they already have all the security they need...

Plus start getting pax kicked off flights and ppl will quickly pull their heads in.

 

[roncritch]

It seems to me that they are more worried about breaching RSA than on us, the members. I can understand that people are in the lounge for up to 3 hours waiting for overnight flights, but it is up to staff to monitor what people are drinking. It is not different to working any bar, the RSA applies to all staff. Restricting to one drink is not practiced in any profit making bar, so to have a policy like this in the lounge is for the operator, and its staff, not the members.

In relation to spirits, I do not drink beer,I only drink spirits with mixers, it does not make me a drunk like some here have intimiated. Wine is around 12-13% a mixer is around 5%, a would be more under the influence if I had 4 wines.

 

[Borisdog]

Dead right roncritch. If I went to a commercial pub and asked, sober, for 8 bourbon and cokes the only response I'd get would be "Would you like a tray too"

 

[medhead]

If someone stinks of rum or wine or beer then they are undesirable. Not sure anyone is having ago at people who drink spirits but the fact is the least desirable people I've experienced on planes have stunk of dark spirits.

As for RSA, no doubt each individual location has to prepare their own specific management plan. What happens at other licensed premises is irrelevant.

Given an airport is one of the few public places with it's own police presence, plus with trespassing laws that'll see you get a free night of accom (and a lighter wallet) if you ignore them, they already have all the security they need...

Plus start getting pax kicked off flights and ppl will quickly pull their heads in.

Like police anywhere they have more to do than bounce drunks. Pretty sure that would be way down the priority list.

 

[RSD]

I think a lot of you are confusing miners with people that are actually FIFO construction or offshore oil/gas workers. Miners tend to be better behaved and most live in Perth, FIFO construction workers tend to be the drunk obnoxious types, and they get their flights paid all the way to their home port by their company.

 

[TomVexille]

I think a lot of you are confusing miners with people that are actually FIFO construction or offshore oil/gas workers. Miners tend to be better behaved and most live in Perth, FIFO construction workers tend to be the drunk obnoxious types, and they get their flights paid all the way to their home port by their company.

I think you'll find many people on here look down on anyone who wears any high-vis

 

[Pushka]

I think you'll find many people on here look down on anyone who wears any high-vis

Or clothing or behaviour that isn't appropriate for a club atmosphere. Think wife beaters, rubber thongs, feet on lounges (yuck), shoes off etc etc. loud talking on mobile phones. Not just high vis.

 

[Reggie]

Or clothing or behaviour that isn't appropriate for a club atmosphere. Think wife beaters, rubber thongs, feet on lounges (yuck), shoes off etc etc. loud talking on mobile phones. Not just high vis.

Tanktops and singlets that shares their hairy armpits and tattoo's with the entire club. I would rather the hivis

 

[TomVexille]

Or clothing or behaviour that isn't appropriate for a club atmosphere. Think wife beaters, rubber thongs, feet on lounges (yuck), shoes off etc etc. loud talking on mobile phones. Not just high vis.

All unacceptable in my opinion.

 

[The Rok]

Hi vis is just a form of uniform. No different to a chefs uniform, police man, nurse, pilot or the poli in a suit.

Singlets and tank tops and not uniforms. Big difference. It ****s me to tears to continually hear people bang on about how "hi vis" = riff raff. Bull cough.

The clothes don't define the person.

Probably half of all hi vis brigade in the lounge are qualified professionals. Engineers, geologists, survey, high voltage electricians, HD Fitters. All experienced professionals. Hardly what you would classify as an unruly mob.

Before casting judgement on others, perhaps take a good hard look in the mirror and try to see what other people see in you before you cast aspersions on me.

Sometimes I look at some of the folk on site in hi vis and I wonder to myself, "how do you survive on a minesite" ?? Your too prim & proper. And yet they wear hi vis!

And for those who think miners shouldn't be in the lounge because their employer pays for the flights that gift them status, look at your boarding pass, who pays for your flights. I am without statistics here but I'm guessing that the vast majority of members who obtain status do it with the help of their employers paid for flights.

Self funded Gold & Platinum do exist here, but I would imagine in the minority.