QP Perth epic fail tonight

[RooFlyer]

That is not what I said or implied.

It is inappropriate to wear any work uniform outside of the workplace including a lifesaver.

What makes it "inappropriate", exactly? According to what rule/law/custom?

 

[Clivem]

What makes it "inappropriate", exactly? According to what rule/law/custom?

Perhaps is it the constitution, or it could be mabo, or perhaps it's justice, or maybe it's law, but more than likely 'it's the vibe and no, that's it, it's the vibe'.

 

[medhead]

What makes it "inappropriate", exactly? According to what rule/law/custom?

Come on now! Surely it is an entirely appropriate for all people whose work requires uniforms to travel to and from work naked. Can't you see that? Don't even think of telling me about the work place not providing change rooms. As if that is some kind of excuse.

 

[The Rok]

As said previously. While flying we are in company time. If my employer dictates that I fly in uniform, then that's what I do.

I have no desire whatsoever to drive to the airport in my work clothes while sitting in the beige leather in my car. I have tried flying and getting changed on arrival onsite. I have been ready for work 20 minutes BEFORE those who arrive in uniform and still my employer insists that I be in uniform before I hit the airport.

Does that mean I'm not welcome in the lounge in the eyes of some people here?

 

[JohnK]

Cans of pre-mixed spirit drinks are typically about 5%, as they contain a lot of mixer, but mixed drinks made by a barman are usually much stronger. For example, if you add a standard bottle of Schweppes mixer to a shot of spirit, the resulting drink is about 8% alcohol. When draft mixers are used, with ice in the glass (as is often the case), the volume of mixer is often lower, resulting in even stronger drinks. And then there are people who drink doubles....

Now you are confusing me.

A nip of scotch, vodka etc is 30mL and is the equivalent of 1 standard drink regardless of the size of the mixer glass or how much ice is used. In fact with ice I have less vodka as I have the vodka quickly and there is always vodka left in the glass with the ice. That is offset though by the bar staff pouring extra vodka for me as they know me.

 

[thehound]

Rok, how is getting off the plane in your work gear and arriving at site "work ready" the same thing? I don't understand why these people don't just change into their work gear when they arrive at the airport - I've changed clothed at airport arrival bathrooms before and it's a matter of a few minutes.

As said previously. While flying we are in company time. If my employer dictates that I fly in uniform, then that's what I do.

I have no desire whatsoever to drive to the airport in my work clothes while sitting in the beige leather in my car. I have tried flying and getting changed on arrival onsite. I have been ready for work 20 minutes BEFORE those who arrive in uniform and still my employer insists that I be in uniform before I hit the airport.

Does that mean I'm not welcome in the lounge in the eyes of some people here?

Rok, you still haven't answered my question from last week - what is the problem with changing at the arrival airport?

I think the point that many are making is that a certain standard of dress should be required to enter the Qantas Club. It is a private club, and should be viewed as a privilege, not a right. Would anyone really go to a restaurant wearing their fluoro vests, or butcher's apron, or surgeon's scrubs?

 

[Jack_OC]

Now you are confusing me.

A nip of scotch, vodka etc is 30mL and is the equivalent of 1 standard drink regardless of the size of the mixer glass or how much ice is used. In fact with ice I have less vodka as I have the vodka quickly and there is always vodka left in the glass with the ice. That is offset though by the bar staff pouring extra vodka for me as they know me.

Yes it's the same amount of alcohol per drink, but different strengths depending on how much volume of mixer is used. The relevance is, people tend to drink a similar volume in a certain period of time, regardless of the percentage alcohol. Consequently, if someone is having mixed drinks containing 5% alcohol, they will tend to consume less alcohol than when they have drinks containing 8 or 10% alcohol. To give an example, let's say someone consumes an average of 1 litre per hour. If their drinks contain a total of 200ml, with one shot per drink, they will consume 5 shots per hour. If their drinks are 375 ml pre mixed cans, which also contain one shot each, then they will consume fewer than 3 shots per hour.

It's the same logic as only serving mid strength beer at sporting events.

 

[The Rok]

We are not exactly arriving into JFK. It's an airstrip with a portable toilet block. 100 or so people can't all change in there.

If you don't do FIFO you wouldn't understand.

In addition, more often than not management are on my flight, they request we are work ready before getting on that plane. They know when we are not. I have been doing this job long enough to know what rules I can bend and which ones are dead set in stone. This is a non negotiable.

I even went as far to suggest to my manager that this whole thing was nothing more than an exercise in PR or Brand awareness.. He never responded...

 

[medhead]

We are not exactly arriving into JFK. It's an airstrip with a portable toilet block. 100 or so people can't all change in there.

If you don't do FIFO you wouldn't understand.

In addition, more often than not management are on my flight, they request we are work ready before getting on that plane. They know when we are not. I have been doing this job long enough to know what rules I can bend and which ones are dead set in stone. This is a non negotiable.

I even went as far to suggest to my manager that this whole thing was nothing more than an exercise in PR or Brand awareness.. He never responded...

One comment to add about the importance of not upsetting management on these flights. I've heard of a couple of people who were sacked mid flight after management over heard their discussion.

 

[JohnK]

What makes it "inappropriate", exactly? According to what rule/law/custom?

So you want a rule or law to tell you it is inappropriate to wear lifeguard uniforms in public places? Or plumbers overalls after they have been working in sewer all day? Or abbatoir uniforms? Or surgeons uniforms? Etc, etc.

 

[TomVexille]

That is not what I said or implied.

It is inappropriate to wear any work uniform outside of the workplace including a lifesaver.

So someone who is required to wear a suit everyday (a type of uniform) should also change out of it as soon as they finish work for the day? Or a work branded polo shirt? That's also a uniform. Is that also unacceptable?

 

[roncritch]

I think you actually know what is meant by John K. Without this becoming a "class" argument, a lot of readers are against hi-viz in the lounge. Personally I don't care about the 'hi-viz", a lot of it is neater than what others who don't need to wear it to site, wear.
I have noticed that the behaviour of the hi-viz wearers is a lot better than the FIFO's who are in civvies. It is a proportion of those, along with businessmen continuing from their long lunches, that have caused these stupid rules in the lounge that affect the other 99% doing the right thing.

 

[Pushka]

The ATO doesn't regard a suit as a uniform.

 

[medhead]

So you want a rule or law to tell you it is inappropriate to wear lifeguard uniforms in public places? Or plumbers overalls after they have been working in sewer all day? Or abbatoir uniforms? Or surgeons uniforms? Etc, etc.

You said it is inappropriate to wear any workplace uniform. Now you add caveats?

The ATO doesn't regard a suit as a uniform.

Only for the question of claiming a tax deduction. That is a very narrow definition for a specific purpose. It does not seem at all relevant.

 

[roncritch]

People.people,people...... we all know how intelligent each other is....no need for pedantic arguments...let's get back to topic...the idiotic rules of not being able to get a drink for my wife as well as myself

 

[medhead]

Pedantic argument or gaping hole in others' position. I agree getting a drink is the matter of utmost importance.

 

[JohnK]

You said it is inappropriate to wear any workplace uniform. Now you add caveats?

Aren't I clever?

The 'normal' clothes one wears to work is not a uniform. Is it?

 

[medhead]

Aren't I clever?

The 'normal' clothes one wears to work is not a uniform. Is it?

As you're the one with all the definitions here. You tell me. Let's start with the normal clothes a nurse, surgeon, plumber and a thousands other occupations wear to work. Clothes that are even subject to a deduction from the ATO.

 

[JohnK]

As you're the one with all the definitions here. You tell me. Let's start with the normal clothes a nurse, surgeon, plumber and a thousands other occupations wear to work. Clothes that are even subject to a deduction from the ATO.

And you would wear these 'special' clothes anywhere? Would you wear a nurses uniform if you were not a nurse?

Enough from me. Signing off from this thread as I can't get anything past you.

 

[medhead]

And you would wear these 'special' clothes anywhere? Would you wear a nurses uniform if you were not a nurse?

Enough from me. Signing off from this thread as I can't get anything past you.

So sorry if you can't handle your own words. You are the one who said

It is inappropriate to wear any work uniform outside of the workplace including a lifesaver.

If you're not happy with your own words, perhaps write the words you intend to say in the first place.


As for the rest of your post who said anything about wearing clothes anywhere, who said anything about someone wearing a uniform for a job they don't do. We are talking about people who do the job and who do wear a uniform for their job. Those people do wear their uniform to and from work. Those are their normal clothes for wearing to and form work and often those clothes are normal clothes like polo shirts, pants and skirts. Despite your beliefs those clothes are uniforms, to claim otherwise is utterly wrong.