Wrong Boeing 777 Variant Forces Canada-Bound Air India Flight Into 9-Hour U-Turn

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Wow - you couldn't make this stuff up. :rolleyes:
Also being discussed in the ‘would you fly AI thread’

it’s actually not all that uncommon.

Several US carriers have had to return flights mid atlantic because of the wrong aircraft type, and only last year Virgin Australia had to return a flight on the way to Queenstown because of a similar issue.

Canada seems to require airlines to specify the exact model/variant of aircraft… so you can’t substitute a 777-300 for a -200. Noting that this -200 was an ex Delta aircraft, so I’m not sure there would have been any specific safety issue with the aircraft in question.
 
Noting that this -200 was an ex Delta aircraft, so I’m not sure there would have been any specific safety issue with the aircraft in question.
ETOPS certification for the frame? RNAV certification for the frame? CPDLC active and functioning, some US FIRs require functional CPDLC for transit.
 
I think you miss the point, individual airframe certification and naviads/comms matter
 
I think you miss the point, individual airframe certification and naviads/comms matter


Air India’s FAOC for Canada apparently only specifies 777-300s. Not the -200.

I don’t know if they sought approval for the -200 and it was refused, or they simply never applied for it in the first place.

Given the -200 was previously flying to JFK and SFO, and the same plane is currently on rotation between DEL and FRA, dunno the reason why it failed this time.

AI isn’t the only airline to have these issues… AA to Naples, JQ to DPS, VA to ZQN.

If there are specifics of this flight that you’re aware of it would be interesting to get your take.
 
Also being discussed in the ‘would you fly AI thread’

it’s actually not all that uncommon.

Several US carriers have had to return flights mid atlantic because of the wrong aircraft type, and only last year Virgin Australia had to return a flight on the way to Queenstown because of a similar issue.

Canada seems to require airlines to specify the exact model/variant of aircraft… so you can’t substitute a 777-300 for a -200. Noting that this -200 was an ex Delta aircraft, so I’m not sure there would have been any specific safety issue with the aircraft in question.
I know - I started that Air India thread, and I didn't quite expect it to garner the attention it did, but clearly, AI has some internal processes includuing QA to get a better handle on...
 
AA did something similar last year - flight from the U.S. to one of the Italian airports but the flight was on a type that required a higher ARFF CAT rating than the airport had so they diverted to another airport in Italy. The aircraft type that normally operated the route fit within the ACT rating of the ARFF service at the airport but a different type was being used on this particular day and it obviously got overlooked that the new type required a higher CAT rating.
 
I wonder who noticed the problem, AI ops, the crew, or the Canadians? Seems a very niche issue so it’s surprising it was picked up?
Maybe Canadian Customs/Border force electronic arrival notification flagged a computer error?
 
I wonder who noticed the problem, AI ops, the crew, or the Canadians? Seems a very niche issue so it’s surprising it was picked up?
Maybe Canadian Customs/Border force electronic arrival notification flagged a computer error?
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AA did something similar last year - flight from the U.S. to one of the Italian airports but the flight was on a type that required a higher ARFF CAT rating than the airport had so they diverted to another airport in Italy. The aircraft type that normally operated the route fit within the ACT rating of the ARFF service at the airport but a different type was being used on this particular day and it obviously got overlooked that the new type required a higher CAT rating.
And jetsar in 2022 had to turn around a 787 just an hour out of Bali because it swapped to the plane but didn’t tell the authorities in Indonesia.

So it happens! (JQ called it an ‘internal miscommunication’)
 

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