Woolworths backflips - QF points are coming back

[nlagalle]

Points are gone at BigW, Cellarmasters, Caltex this New Year, leaving WW.

yes they are but you can still earn there until Dec 31.. it sounded like you were saying it had stopped already (which many people seem to think has happened).

 

[nlagalle]

I see Australian Business Traveller has plagiarised this thread title for their own headline today, "Woolworths backflips on Qantas points". OK it is not the whole 9 yards, but lazy journalism imo.

Considering how many headlines have used backflip it's hardly plagiarism. Woolworths, backflip and Qantas in the same headline is not stealing it from here.. I hardly think AFF is the source of all headlines.

 

[Ansett]

I see Australian Business Traveller has plagiarised this thread title for their own headline today, "Woolworths backflips on Qantas points". OK it is not the whole 9 yards, but lazy journalism imo.

Does this mean we have a Mole on AFF

 

[moa999]

Re: Woolworths reviewing partnership with Qantas Frequent Flyer.

I've gotten two lots of $10 discounts so far and not been asked about either. I haven't seen the operator do anything to the screen but wasn't paying attention. Will have another $10 off next week and see what happens then.

$10 was applied automatically for me at self check-out

 

[blackcat20]

Re: Woolworths reviewing partnership with Qantas Frequent Flyer.

Another point to note, SWMBO had WWR$20 saved up and was able to apply that discount to one shop. So it is possible to use more than $10 at a time.

It takes as many multiples of $10 as you've got from my understanding of what I've read. So if you had $55 of Woolies dollars, it would redeem $50.

 

[burmans]

Re: Woolworths reviewing partnership with Qantas Frequent Flyer.

Alas. We've been enthusiastic EDR people previously, but when I got my Opal card a few years ago, I just set up automatic top up on my credit card. Never mind...

If you buy Wish cards (or e-Gift cards) via the Entertainment Book a $100 card/e-card costs $95 and you get 3*95 points if you use a Platinum Edge points. That's still a good deal for me even if I'm now missing out on 70 QFF points ($100 - 30), so I'm keeping doing this personally. I'll also be topping up my phone pre-pay via this method.

Aside from this I've never been a big WOW user and that wont change.

 

[franjelley]

IME people on low incomes worry about cash in hand, not the promise of something that they might collect in the future. Their question is "what am I going to feed the kids tomorrow night?" So I very much see the higher income thing as an inherent truth. Let's not forget that Australia has a large number of people who think they have average incomes when in reality they are in the top 20% of income earners.

Never a truer word spoken!
More power to you! so happy i lived long enough to read these sensible words

 

[exceladdict]

IME people on low incomes worry about cash in hand, not the promise of something that they might collect in the future. Their question is "what am I going to feed the kids tomorrow night?" So I very much see the higher income thing as an inherent truth. Let's not forget that Australia has a large number of people who think they have average incomes when in reality they are in the top 20% of income earners.

Never a truer word spoken!
More power to you! so happy i lived long enough to read these sensible words

I don't think people with low disposable income or a fixed income are the primary target of rewards systems such as these, the objective of which I would assume is ultimately to increase profit.

I agree that if putting food on the table is difficult, people won't be thinking about the points they earn. But they might also be less likely to have $15 extra to spend to get the $5 rupiah back; and less likely to buy the orange-ticketed, but more expensive, variety of toilet paper.

People with a reasonable amount of disposable income, who could change their purchasing decisions in an attempt to earn rewards, are those that I would be targeting if I was a WoW marketer. Tying rewards directly to revenue - via increasing weekly spend (staggered Spend $X get $Y/1000 points) or increasing profit margin (Rupiah for Lindtt Chocolate, but not Cadbury) - can only work for people who can afford to change their decisions.

To me, those would be individuals who earn enough income to have some money left over after the essentials, but are not earning enough to write off the value of the rewards being offered. People on higher incomes would be frugal to some extent, but as money is less of an issue, one would think rewards targeted to them would have different objectives (i.e. retention of their higher-margin spend).

So yes, there is probably a point on the income scales at which a preference from dollars to airline points transitions, but I think it would be in the lower-middle income area, not the middle-upper income area of the scale.

But alas, the results of the survey; or WoW's marketing data, are not public.

 

[Ozgirl]

Re: Woolworths reviewing partnership with Qantas Frequent Flyer.

I would never expect Opal to be an orange ticket item. But as it does/did earn QFF points I expect/ed it to count towards any spend requirement for offers.

Not so sure of the situation now but it is only an issue until 31 December.

I got a spend $50 get $10 WWR $$

I topped up my opal to get the $10 - did not work.

Hoever have been credit the 50 QFF

 

[Imw]

We got email today stating convert points etc

 

[Deleted member]

It's too little too late for me.
I've moved on.

 

[medhead]

Re: Woolworths reviewing partnership with Qantas Frequent Flyer.

I don't think people with low disposable income or a fixed income are the primary target of rewards systems such as these, the objective of which I would assume is ultimately to increase profit.

I agree that if putting food on the table is difficult, people won't be thinking about the points they earn. But they might also be less likely to have $15 extra to spend to get the $5 rupiah back; and less likely to buy the orange-ticketed, but more expensive, variety of toilet paper.

People with a reasonable amount of disposable income, who could change their purchasing decisions in an attempt to earn rewards, are those that I would be targeting if I was a WoW marketer. Tying rewards directly to revenue - via increasing weekly spend (staggered Spend $X get $Y/1000 points) or increasing profit margin (Rupiah for Lindtt Chocolate, but not Cadbury) - can only work for people who can afford to change their decisions.

To me, those would be individuals who earn enough income to have some money left over after the essentials, but are not earning enough to write off the value of the rewards being offered. People on higher incomes would be frugal to some extent, but as money is less of an issue, one would think rewards targeted to them would have different objectives (i.e. retention of their higher-margin spend).

So yes, there is probably a point on the income scales at which a preference from dollars to airline points transitions, but I think it would be in the lower-middle income area, not the middle-upper income area of the scale.

But alas, the results of the survey; or WoW's marketing data, are not public.

I think I was addressing the suggestion that the survey was wrong to conclude that points earning is only a concern of higher income people. I think that is an inherent truth, and you seem to agree.

I did not intend that as a comment about whether or how people might change their spending as a result of the program change. Also not a comment about how WoW should be targeting. Digging into the memory banks of when I was on australian median income, or perhaps it was average, I don't think I would have particularly chased points from woolworths shopping. as my income has increased so has my spending mad so that I now have the "luxury" of being able to hit the promo targets because I was going to spend that much anyway. In general, points or dollars hasn't really made me spend more except to be a bit more loose with the spending control.

For low income people who are struggling to put food on the table, I would expect the new program to be a bonus for doing something they were going to do anyway, while still maintaining their spending controls.

I got a spend $50 get $10 WWR $$

I topped up my opal to get the $10 - did not work.

Hoever have been credit the 50 QFF

Pleased that my Wow docket last night showed me the remaining spend requirement for my targeted promo. It was a very positive result. I think, as you mentioned, there are different T&Cs on the various offers.

 

[blackcat20]

Re: Woolworths reviewing partnership with Qantas Frequent Flyer.

In the email from QF today:

Great news! Watch your inbox for offers from Woolworths Rewards allowing you to earn bonus Qantas Points from Jan 2016. And in the coming months, you will have the option to convert your Woolworths Dollars into Qantas Points.

Bonus offers coming back?

 

[andye]

Re: Woolworths reviewing partnership with Qantas Frequent Flyer.

I think I was addressing the suggestion that the survey was wrong to conclude that points earning is only a concern of higher income people. I think that is an inherent truth, and you seem to agree.

I did not intend that as a comment about whether or how people might change their spending as a result of the program change. Also not a comment about how WoW should be targeting. Digging into the memory banks of when I was on australian median income, or perhaps it was average, I don't think I would have particularly chased points from woolworths shopping. as my income has increased so has my spending mad so that I now have the "luxury" of being able to hit the promo targets because I was going to spend that much anyway. In general, points or dollars hasn't really made me spend more except to be a bit more loose with the spending control.

For low income people who are struggling to put food on the table, I would expect the new program to be a bonus for doing something they were going to do anyway, while still maintaining their spending controls.



Pleased that my Wow docket last night showed me the remaining spend requirement for my targeted promo. It was a very positive result. I think, as you mentioned, there are different T&Cs on the various offers.

Despite always being well above median income , we have had periods with relatively little disposable cash. Aldi is the best option in these circumstances if you have access to one. Our family still prefer many of the staples from there even though we have diversified our shopping as things have become less tight

 

[OATEK]

Re: Woolworths reviewing partnership with Qantas Frequent Flyer.

In the email from QF today:


Bonus offers coming back?

Yes, I was pondering that as well. Guess we will have to wait and see what emerges.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Re: Woolworths reviewing partnership with Qantas Frequent Flyer.

Some of these products look to earn a pretty decent number of Woolworths $. An $8 box of washing powder earning $3 ww$ for example. I'm not really interested in washing powder but has anyone noticed if anything useable in large quantities ever comes up with a good earn? Being able to convert the $ into qff pts could make it worthwhile.

I buy most of my soap powder from nqr and so am way in front financially. Wow is very expensive in comparison and i have only ever bought when desperate or when huge discounts were on offer.

Wow for me has only been about what i could not readily get cheaper elsewhere or where convenience was as play as my wow is walking distance.

 

[travellinmumberry]

Re: Woolworths reviewing partnership with Qantas Frequent Flyer.

I've moved on too. I choose products based on many other variables- ingredients, country of origin, cruelty free. I am totally disinterested in buying products selected for me by the major supermarkets who do not have my best interests at heart. What's more this has coincided perfectly with my utter disenchantment with Qantas and their inadequate customer service. My Qantas club is going to lapse and from me it's goodbye Qantas and Woolworths, hello Etihad and Coles. My family do multiple long haul flights annually being scattered between US, UK, France, Italy and Australia. We have been pretty loyal to Qantas, but had lots of good feedback about Etihad- I will keep you informed.

 

[RAM]

Had a look at the T&Cs, says nothing about Opal being an exclusion (unless it is a "gift card")?
....
I definitely did not buy any excluded items. All food.
That's best that I can find. Interested in where you saw that Opal top-ups are excluded?

I was reading the T&Cs in the email that I received today about spend $100, scan the bar code offer and get $10 off instantly. In the # section (after the * and the + sections there was this little gem "... and travel cards."

So that should cover all eventualities Australia-wide unfortunately. I should have bought more of the Travel 10s a few weeks back after all (much better value for occasional bus users than the OPAL).

Of course the purchases are done with points earning credit card buying 5% discounted gcs...with average 51 days free credit.

Not worth so much as in the ancient old days earning up to 17% on cash. Good lark was buying Treasury Notes in the RBA Tenders as they would accept bids of $5,000 or more for either 13 wk or 26 wk T-Notes. Much better earn than any bank or CMT offered in the 80s.

 

[Kangol]

I was reading the T&Cs in the email that I received today about spend $100, scan the bar code offer and get $10 off instantly. In the # section (after the * and the + sections there was this little gem "... and travel cards."

So that should cover all eventualities Australia-wide unfortunately. I should have bought more of the Travel 10s a few weeks back after all (much better value for occasional bus users than the OPAL).

Of course the purchases are done with points earning credit card buying 5% discounted gcs...with average 51 days free credit.

Not worth so much as in the ancient old days earning up to 17% on cash. Good lark was buying Treasury Notes in the RBA Tenders as they would accept bids of $5,000 or more for either 13 wk or 26 wk T-Notes. Much better earn than any bank or CMT offered in the 80s.

Thanks, I didn't see that in my email. Oh well.

Just noticed that WW are selling a $30 prepaid mobile starter pack which earns you WW$20. Which will be 1740 QFF. 58 points per dollar is hard to beat!! Or just over 61 points if using a 5% WISH card.

 

[RAM]

Thanks, I didn't see that in my email. Oh well.

Just noticed that WW are selling a $30 prepaid mobile starter pack which earns you WW$20. Which will be 1740 QFF. 58 points per dollar is hard to beat!! Or just over 61 points if using a 5% WISH card.

Continuing the devious thought - you then donate it to a charity and claim it off tax.

So cost becomes (hopefully) 28 to 40% less...