We are entitled to STATUS CREDITS!!!

[ozavanti]

Im off to The UK in a few weeks and have used points to get myself a classic awards ticket because it was much more valuable to get a ticket without burning to many points using an ASA.

The reason for this is that I've re-qualified for SG and have bugger all chance of getting WP... so any SC's earnt might help getting closer to lifetime silver (woopdedo), but are useless for me, until I rollover to another year on 1 July.

From a peronsal point of view I like that I can choose whether I 'need' the SC's to get me to my required qualification level. Kudos to QF for keeping the duel system.

 

[pshepvic]

Lifetime silver is a massive anti-climax anyway, if you're already Gold or Plat. Just a letter saying well done.

Something a little bit more would have been nice! Maybe some bonus points or something. And would still be nice to have been issued with a lifetime silver membership card, even if I'm still using my WP card.


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[mannej]

Although giving out SC's on Classic tickets would devalue ASA as such, perhaps the classics should be counted towards eligible sectors.

Perhaps that could be the balance between keeping the status quo and rewarding BIS travel?

 

[elbarto]

Although giving out SC's on Classic tickets would devalue ASA as such, perhaps the classics should be counted towards eligible sectors.

Perhaps that could be the balance between keeping the status quo and rewarding BIS travel?

There's a whole thread on how to get ASAs at the classic awards points level

 

[turffy]

Hi ozavanti,

Showing my newness again, could you explain SG and WP please.

Some interesting points raised in the last few comments- my belief was that the ASA option was introduced to allow the punters to redeem more seats with more flexibility. They charge a premium for that ability, I guess what everyone is saying that the premium is partly for the SC that you earn as well. Personally I think the Classic award seats should also attract SCs and the premium should be fore the flexibility. I think the extra SC's given out would alter very few people's status level in any given year. Therefore I don't think the serious business travellers would be disadvantaged by a sudden influx into their well deserved benefits.
The issue of lifetime status is interesting, I'm sure some of you wouldn't be old enough to have been involved when it was first introduced- from memory we all started from scratch so you got no credit for your previous history. Depending on your age, some people have no chance of every catching up.

Thanks for the input
Turffy

 

[turffy]

Thanks- will see if I can find it.

 

[mannej]

There's a whole thread on how to get ASAs at the classic awards points level

I have no issues with that, as that is dependent on certain fare bucket availability and am fully aware of how to play the game.

My point is more a compromise position for the OP and the current status quo.

 

[flyingfan]

Showing my newness again, could you explain SG and WP please.

SG - Gold
WP - Platinum

For explanations on abbreviations used on AFF: http://www.australianfrequentflyer....ions/abbreviations-and-explanations-5056.html

Although giving out SC's on Classic tickets would devalue ASA as such

Agree. I recently tried to tell a bronze friend about the benefits of ASA but he just wanted to redeem a seat at the lowest possible points cost and that was with a Classic award and wasn't interested in chasing status. I suspect many other (likely mostly bronze) frequent flyer members have this stance, which is quite different to maximising the use of points etc as us here on AFF try to do.

 

[serfty]

For reference with Qantas "Any Seat Awards" and point earning: (Frequent Flyer - About the Program - Terms & Conditions)

9.3 Earning Points for Air Travel

9.3.1 Subject to clauses 9.3.2 and 9.4, Points for air travel may be earned only for paid travel or Qantas & Jetstar Any Seat Awards (excluding for the avoidance of doubt any Qantas & Partner Classic Award) on regular scheduled flights where a Qantas flight number (or the flight number of any oneworld Alliance Airline or Airline Partner not excluded under clause 9.4) is entered on the itinerary ('Eligible Flight').
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and check the references to "any seat awards" here: Frequent Flyer - About the Program - Terms & Conditions

 

[turffy]

Thanks eastflyer for the leg up with the lingo.
Can't quite agree (yet) with your second point as i still see the premium for ASA's being for the flexibility.

Great
Turffy

 

[turffy]

TO serfty

Seriously, am I that bad as a communicator?

The question was never whether technically you are entitled to the SCs- clearly you are not. My point is that I feel SC's should be used as a measure of loyalty to the FF package, if you earn enough points from flights, care hire, shopping, hotels or whatever to then redeem a classic FF seat then in my opinion you should earn SC's for that flight. NO not for shopping, only for redeemed classic flights like you do on ASA flights.
Thanks to the learned members of the community I have been educated in better use of the ASA to maximize the whole loyalty programme.

Thanks for your interest.
Turffy

 

[samh004]

If you could buy status with miles, you get the US system, which I don’t see working here.

Yes, you may be able to earn points in any number of ways, but the best way to show true loyalty is to fly, and thus that’s why it’s the only way you can earn status. If all I had to do was spend on my CC, earn thousands of miles and become top tier I wouldn’t be that valuable to the airline. Similarly, if I stayed in hotels and rented cars, yet then got top tier of Qantas I wouldn’t be loyal to them at all.

However, reading your latest post, seeing as you understand the difference between a classic award and an ASA, perhaps the question is moot. I think ASA’s are fair, just so long as you understand that they might not always be as good value as a classic award, and classic awards shouldn’t be cheap and give SC’s for status as the way you might’ve earned the points again doesn’t show loyalty. The ASA was meant to bring that in line I guess by sometimes vastly increasing the costs, though generally they seem to be very good value

 

[nlagalle]

Thanks eastflyer for the leg up with the lingo.
Can't quite agree (yet) with your second point as i still see the premium for ASA's being for the flexibility.

Great
Turffy

Don't forget ASA's include all the taxes in the point cost, Classic awards do not. So while a Y (economy) classic award will cost 128k of points and around $800 in taxes, a good ASA will set you back around 200k, so if you add some cash component, it'll be close to the mark, not to mention you earn points for the flight too.

 

[yohy?!]

I'd recommend you review the qantas Frequent flyer website at qantas.com in particular the using points pages that outline all the ins and outs of both classic and any seat awards tickets.

Then you can come back with more specific questions we can answer having learned all the basics

 

[JohnK]

Welcome to AFF turrfy and for what it is worth Iagree with you and believe one should be able to earn SCs on all flights booked as well.

One can earn SCs on Any Seat Awards but not on Classic awards and many times there is no difference in the cost of points between the 2 and only a marginal difference in the dollar cost. Not quite deception on the part of QF but not far from it.

Perhaps one compromise could be earning SCs on all flights booked from QFF points earned via flying.

 

[travelislife]

The big thing Turffy is that there can be NO premium to using an ASA. With some planning the cost of your ASA points wise can be exactly the same as your classic award, but it earns you SCs and points. A link to the thread about it was posted earlier. I would go back and have a read I that first and I think the majority of your rant will be unfounded.

 

[Robert K]

Can I ask why you're so passionate about receiving SCs? Just curious. If you were a serious SC collector would'nt you know the diff between classic and ASA?

 

[nlagalle]

Can I ask why you're so passionate about receiving SCs? Just curious. If you were a serious SC collector would'nt you know the diff between classic and ASA?

I can see why the OP would like SC's on classic awards, we all would. But I can't see QF ever changing it..

 

[rotuma1]

I agree with Pu Koh, if you are serious about climbing the ranks of status/benefits you would research more on what is available.

If you could earn SC on classic awards, my guess this would have no meaning to the average QF member redeeming points for that "SYD-MEL or even SYD-LHR" whY trip once a year or two; Whilst devaluing Any seat awards.

 

[Major]

I am NB and not interested in chasing status with QF. All of my points are redeemed for Classic award flights. Before booking I always check ASA's but find that Classic gives me the best value.

If I was after status I would probably choose the ASA option.

My preferred status is with VA