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Cereal for breakfast, lunch AND dinner ??????

Reminds me of the old saying, 'Resche's, Breakfast of Champions'.

Seriously, fly QF and enjoy the continuous 'enhancements'.

At least VA seem to be making an effort, changing from a LCC.

I do like to fly QF, and well, at least I could get a hot meal at dinner that wasn't a sandwich. Also, I don't eat cereal, it makes me throw up. So sandwiches and salad it is, over and over again.
 
The last two trips through CBR, I've had curry and rice, spinach pasta and Moroccan lamb soup. The warm food selection has been much improved.
 
Cereal for breakfast, lunch AND dinner ??????

Reminds me of the old saying, 'Resche's, Breakfast of Champions'.

Seriously, fly QF and enjoy the continuous 'enhancements'.

At least VA seem to be making an effort, changing from a LCC.
Seriously? They made an effort early on a few years back. Then went totally stale. These days they are trying to recover but nothing has changed in my eyes past 6 months.

Salad items 3 times in one day is extremely boring.
 
I think for mine the above is the minimum I expect of any airline I might fly with (well... not the row 3 thing perhaps :) ). So, assuming that all airlines I might choose to use provide the above, which one will I actually give money to on the day? Likely the one that treats me the best (in my biased view of course). Lounge food, along with a myriad other smaller and non life threatening things become part of my value judgement and is the opportunity for the provider to differentiate themselves from their competition.

Competition should drive standards upwards, not downwards as we so often see. When standards drop, even amongst otherwise competitive marketplaces, then the opportunity for new players is opened up. I used to fly QF exclusively (for example) and even had QP membership for a year. For me, they were the best player in the market at the time for my needs (this was back in the DJ era). Then DJ became VA as their own strategists must have determined that a viable market space had opened up due to QF complacence or other factors. Now VA gets close to 100% of my business. It wouldn't have cost QF a lot of money to retain my business by simply putting in a bit of effort - now they get almost none of my revenue - I see business making this apparent mistake all the time.

However, VA nowadays seem to be willingly participating in the shoulder to shoulder march to the bottom as far as standards go. They are not, today, maintaining the standard that they set a couple of years ago during the switch from DJ to VA. Given that both airlines are happy to drive to the bottom there isn't much incentive for me to switch camps at this time, but both airlines are creating a space for other potential players whether they realise it or not. Its a debate for another thread whether our particular market place can nourish 3 majors, but a similar process has happened over many years with international airlines.

Excellent post. I find myself agreeing with many of these points, and I'm equally pessimistic about the quality of either major domestic airline in the near future.

One slight difference of opinion; I don't think QF and VA need to worry about a 3rd player just yet, the Oz market is too small and expensive. And they know it, which is why they are racing to the bottom.

My take is that either AJ or JB will eventually 'blink'. As they both slide into worse and worse service (think US here) one of them will spot an opportunity to win market share by improving something, and that, hopefully for us, will be the turning point.

Alas, I fear that we are a few enhancements away from that point yet.



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Every time I hear about lounge "enhancements", I still cast over to think that of all of the domestic lounge systems around the world, Australia has it pretty damn good. New Zealand is likely toe to toe and only the Asians get much better in some cases if you include short haul international / regional.

Of course, this is no reason to lower the standard, though funny enough when you get a lounge in US or Europe, you find yourself sometimes oddly pining for an Australian lounge................
 
The banh mi station was being setup in the lounge again today just as I was leaving at around midday. Pleased to see it's not a one-off.
 
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I think for mine the above is the minimum I expect of any airline I might fly with (well... not the row 3 thing perhaps :) ). So, assuming that all airlines I might choose to use provide the above, which one will I actually give money to on the day? Likely the one that treats me the best (in my biased view of course). Lounge food, along with a myriad other smaller and non life threatening things become part of my value judgement and is the opportunity for the provider to differentiate themselves from their competition.

Competition should drive standards upwards, not downwards as we so often see. When standards drop, even amongst otherwise competitive marketplaces, then the opportunity for new players is opened up. I used to fly QF exclusively (for example) and even had QP membership for a year. For me, they were the best player in the market at the time for my needs (this was back in the DJ era). Then DJ became VA as their own strategists must have determined that a viable market space had opened up due to QF complacence or other factors. Now VA gets close to 100% of my business. It wouldn't have cost QF a lot of money to retain my business by simply putting in a bit of effort - now they get almost none of my revenue - I see business making this apparent mistake all the time.

However, VA nowadays seem to be willingly participating in the shoulder to shoulder march to the bottom as far as standards go. They are not, today, maintaining the standard that they set a couple of years ago during the switch from DJ to VA. Given that both airlines are happy to drive to the bottom there isn't much incentive for me to switch camps at this time, but both airlines are creating a space for other potential players whether they realise it or not. Its a debate for another thread whether our particular market place can nourish 3 majors, but a similar process has happened over many years with international airlines.


It's a race to the bottom, now with a slight recovery as I have noticed the QF J lounge standards slowly coming back up and it seems VA's are rising as well

As for a 3rd player - Ummm NO

JQ loses money
Tiger loses money
VA loses money
QFd is profitiable

So only 1 profitable domestic airline, being QF.

No chance of a 3rd player coming in, in-fact, I see Tiger disappearing at some stage
 
One slight difference of opinion; I don't think QF and VA need to worry about a 3rd player just yet, the Oz market is too small and expensive. And they know it, which is why they are racing to the bottom.

As for a 3rd player - Ummm NO

Oh certainly - My original post was only meant to signal that both VA and QF seem to be voluntarily vacating a space. Right now they probably feel that this is a small risk and they are possibly right. In larger and more competitive environments they'd likely pay dearly for such a strategic mistake.

Markets are best played across the long game though. I wonder if QF ever thought that VA would pose any sort of threat whatsoever? Once Ansett was gone it might well have seemed like plain sailing in the monopoly sea.

All other things being equal, I'd agree that it seems like a long way off before we'd see another full service player in our domestic market.

The really important thing for me, as a customer, is that the two current big players maintain some points of differentiation. As both test the boundaries of how low a product level they can sell and still maintain customer base I want to have more to sway my decision than simply 'they stay up' (incredibly important though that is of course).
 
My take is that either AJ or JB will eventually 'blink'. As they both slide into worse and worse service (think US here) one of them will spot an opportunity to win market share by improving something, and that, hopefully for us, will be the turning point

Yes, indeed, and at that point there will certainly be plenty of scope for improvement :) I guess in some ways as the full service carriers become slimmer (rather than 'fuller') then the real competition becomes the LCC's.
 
That sounds like a real enhancement IMHO. Luke M "pate", perchance? Some banh mi could even be post-wrapped and offered in flight to at least, row 3.
Crumbs maybe "tell-tale" though. I'd ask to take one with me.... instead of current flexi inflight offerings.

Yes, the banh mi(s) could be rationed - one for the pax traveler only, not for any guests. They do cut up well enough anyway to share.
Luke could out-source them, and a series of banh mi coupons (raffle tickets) could be issued... with a lucky banh mi number drawn each friday arvo in the Lounge - when also, a fish/prawn-meat banh mi ...... could be offered...

Less flippantly on lounge food.

I noted recentl yin the Thai J lounge/*A lounge BKK, at around 1600, a small thai-style (kwai teow) noodle soup station set up-that was delicious and needed only one person nearby to dunk the rice stick or vermicelli noodles, into the broth for 73 secs. Perhaps Luke could do some capacity building on noodle dunking technique?

The OP adds the bits nicely set -out Gives the pumkin soup some competition...maybe worth a try?.

The banh mi station was being setup in the lounge again today just as I was leaving at around midday. Pleased to see it's not a one-off.
 
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There is bacon in SYD this morning. Makes for a nice change over ham on my toasted sandwich
 
Slim pickings in the OOL lounge this morning. Definitely no bacon.

best thing I saw was a mini hot chocolate with a side plate of marshmallows the barista made for a very polite little boy.

Kid saw me eyeballing his marshmallows and scurried. Really wanted some but had to be adult and eat muesli instead.
 
Slim pickings in the OOL lounge this morning. Definitely no bacon.

best thing I saw was a mini hot chocolate with a side plate of marshmallows the barista made for a very polite little boy.

Kid saw me eyeballing his marshmallows and scurried. Really wanted some but had to be adult and eat muesli instead.

screw being an adult, we're talking about marshmallows man!
 
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