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TheRealTMA

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Mine is not a discredited medical opinion.there are as many studies saying some success with Chloroquine and HCG as saying not.That is not unusual in medicine.I am sorry but this discussion should be taking place in the Covid threads not being used for a political purpose here.

And you know what really annoys me.left wingers who wring their hands saying we should be helping the poor.Well HCQ is cheap and so of great benefit to poorer countries which can afford it and who can't afford the more recent treatments such as remdesivir.And guess what a paper has come out urging caution with that drug.original trials suggested only very minor liver side effects but now in more frequent usage the concern is some get major liver damage-do you suggest that should now not be used?

India has and still does use it for prophylaxis of medical staff.https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/covid-19-centre-expands-hydroxychloroquine-as-prophylactic-for-healthcare-other-frontline-workers-2233695
And still being used in Greece after your Oxford research was released.

Countries such as Indonesia,Malaysia,UAE and Eastern Europe still using it.

Then there is this article which I saw linked on twitter.I had to go to page 20 of google to find it-indeed there are a few who have published positive articles on HCQ have been disappeared from Google.




Note this article is dated 23/7/20.

So I don't regard the drugs as "discredited" but I do wonder why people want to deny poorer countries access to a cheap probably helpful drug rather than expensive 'Big Pharma" new drugs which have been used for only a few years at most so there is a risk of more severe side effects being discovered down the track.
I don’t see any further promotion of HCQ is useful for AFF readers.
 

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Is this all moot? In the sense, Trump owns part of the company that own the patent and produces HCQ, so he can basically own all the medical supplies? He doesn’t seem to be a sharing kind of person.
Well you have been reading fake news as HCQ ran out of patent many years ago so there is no patent to own.The original owner was Sanofi of France.
Major producers are India and China and their massive generic production companies.

It was approved for use in the USA in 1955.It is on the WHO list of essential medicines.

PS I am not promoting the use of HCQ.Certainly unlikely to be used in Australia but I am trying to correct the evidence being sprouted here.
I guess my critic didn't read the Newsweek article.by a Professor of Epidemiology at Yale who is on the editorial board of several Medical journals.I will take his word over an AFFer.sorry.
 

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Well you have been reading fake news as HCQ ran out of patent many years ago so there is no patent to own.The original owner was Sanofi of France.
Major producers are India and China and their massive generic production companies.

It was approved for use in the USA in 1955.It is on the WHO list of essential medicines.
I guess so.


if it’s an essential medicine, does it mean a patent is inapplicable? Just asking for future reference As I know little about pharmacy and the law.
 

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Is this all moot? In the sense, Trump owns part of the company that own the patent and produces HCQ, so he can basically own all the medical supplies? He doesn’t seem to be a sharing kind of person.
I had believed HCQ has been around long enough that any patents had long expired.
 

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Some interesting points made on the Presidential elections........none particularly ground breaking, but some points might be thought provoking....
If you are interested in US polling, I would recommend fivethirtyeight.com (The total number of College Votes used to determine the President). They have a reliable poll-of-polls and other good analysis - also a Podcast for US Election nerds.
 
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If you are interested in US polling, I would recommend fivethirtyeight.com (The total number of College Votes used to determine the President). They have a reliable poll-of-polls and other good analysis - also a Podcast for US Election nerds.
Master FM recommended that site to me a few years ago - he likes the statistical analysis they do as well.
 

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If you are interested in US polling, I would recommend fivethirtyeight.com (The total number of College Votes used to determine the President). They have a reliable poll-of-polls and other good analysis - also a Podcast for US Election nerds.
I already follow/visit often


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Given that DJT is already positioning the election as being rigged (in case he loses), what if he wins? ;)
 

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Given that DJT is already positioning the election as being rigged (in case he loses), what if he wins? ;)
Unless it’s a close loss, it won’t matter what the President thinks Or is positioning for.

right now it doesn’t feel close....there might be time for that to change.

one of the earlier reports I posted made a mention of Trump saying we are ahead in Georgia......Republicans haven’t lost Georgia for a few decades (Since 1992).
 

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Given that DJT is already positioning the election as being rigged (in case he loses), what if he wins? ;)
He must be getting quite stressed.

His pride is driving at him never to lose, never to give up, never to admit defeat but the daily grind of people not saying yes sir three bags full sir and questioning his lies and incompetence is getting to him. Mentally he must be struggling with not always getting his own way and his internal vision of being conquerer of all being challenged and often being the subject of ridicule.

In private & corporate life he said what he liked and did whatever he wanted and either sacked or dispatched a team of lawyers onto anyone who disagreed with him or slighted him in any way.

Even he has stated publicly, life was much better before he became POTUS.

Sending a couple hundred deranged tweets in one day says quite a bit about his fluctuating mental state.
 

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A sad reflection on the last 3 years is many people are not surprised. He has surrounded himself with obedient flunkies who are all gaining a mutual benefit from the relationship.

Sadly, he may already have found the lever to manipulate the election by appointing someone in charge of the Post Office who is a shareholder in a competitor operation & who stands to benefit significantly financially by driving the USPS into the ground while at the same time delaying or diverting postal votes so they are not delivered before the closure date.
 

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It is terribly amusing seeing all the left-wing lemmings prattling on about election manipulation conspiracy theories supposedly masterminded by Trump when the only compelling evidence of electoral manipulation is staring everyone right in the face and was perpetrated by the Obama Administration. As is always the case with the left, it's the side that matters rather than the principle.
 

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It is terribly amusing seeing all the left-wing lemmings prattling on about election manipulation conspiracy theories supposedly masterminded by Trump when the only compelling evidence of electoral manipulation is staring everyone right in the face and was perpetrated by the Obama Administration. As is always the case with the left, it's the side that matters rather than the principle.
That's an interesting statement given that Trump himself has already tweeted about mail fraud being an issue he believes will affect the result and he and his fmaily have voted by mail in previous elections. Please enlighten me as to the manipulation perpetrated by Obama Administration. I seem to have missed that. There is evidence that shows that past mail fraud has been so limited as to have been almost non-existent.
 

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It would be naive to think that electoral manipulation - in a country where the system is almost designed to facilitate it - is the sole domain of the left. Everything I’ve read suggests that both democratic and republican states adjust boundaries, booth opening times, placement of booths etc to favour their own party. A shocking indictment on the worlds most outspoken defender of democracy that elections are more or less run by those on the ballot paper. Thank goodness for the Australian Electoral Commission.
 

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