Tiger Airways Australia in Mega Trouble

[crazydave98]

Things have changed since the shareholders have had their say. Its their investment, and they say what they want, which is very promising in the coming years...

Getting their brand out there, and lifting their load factor is certianly one issue to be resolved. If you have noticed, TT are currently advertising their product a lot more (eg-on radio-Triple M's Morning sponser, Herald Sun every week, etc..). Load factor on certian routes could be lifted, most certianly during the week on MEL-ADL...

I would still like to know your relationship with Tiger and how you come to be privvy to what goes on in Board meetings, including their strategic planning and milestones, because basically I think you have been fed a line and have taken it along with the hook and sinker (just like journalists often do).

 

[Starship]

I would still like to know your relationship with Tiger.....

At least you are upfront Dave with who your employer is and therefore potential conflicts!

 

[comint]

Where does ReX fit into this equation - or just as the take out party for DJ?

In the context of this conversation ZL is interesting, because it uses the most “Ryanair approach” out of them all.

• It has a single aircraft type, scaled down in size to fit the Australian population.
• It attempts to operate on monopoly routes, to smaller airports.
• It works closely with the local operators to extract the best deals from them, or it ditches its service.
• It keeps its eye keenly on costs.

A major difference though, is the lack of low fare offers and presence of FF program & lounges.

Also worth noting - Virgin Blue has been very clear about its regional expansion plans, being designed to target QantasLink, but Rex is probably eyeing Virgin’s Embraers with both suspicion and lust.

 

[Starship]

I see you watching the thread Sunstar. Are you engaged by TT, or is your information a function of pillow talk?

I understand you may not wish to post it publicly here - there are options for discreet messages / emails.

 

[Saab34]

I see you watching the thread Sunstar. Are you engaged by TT, or is your information a function of pillow talk?

I understand you may not wish to post it publicly here - there are options for discreet messages / emails.

I can say that information that I have said is in no way false, poached from any Journalists or in anyway just "made-up pillow talk". Im not going to reveal my link to this organisation, either on here or in Private Message, but I thought I would just give a brief overview commenting that Tiger isn't leaving our skies. What really gets to me is all the posts around the internet that say: "They wont make it through to 2009", "How can they keep going losing all this money", so I thought I would provide some small insight information.

 

[serfty]

... so I thought I would provide some small insight information.

Fair enough ...

... so I assume your comments on post #1 were your version of "Cliffsnotes" for the SMH article ...

 

[crazydave98]

I can say that information that I have said is in no way false, poached from any Journalists or in anyway just "made-up pillow talk". Im not going to reveal my link to this organisation, either on here or in Private Message, but I thought I would just give a brief overview commenting that Tiger isn't leaving our skies. What really gets to me is all the posts around the internet that say: "They wont make it through to 2009", "How can they keep going losing all this money", so I thought I would provide some small insight information.

Pretty hard for us to form an opinion on the credibility of the "insight information" if you're not going to make any sort of comment about how you came across said "information". At best since you are not a Tiger employee you have it second hand on someone else's say-so just like anyother claimed "insider" post on the internet.

I also don't understand why you would start a thread with exactly the sort of post you are now railing against?

 

[docjames]

Sunstar, it's your call to disclose the link or not.

By not disclosing though it does leave some doubt as to the credibility/validity of the information you provide. Oh well.


i still think whilst the market was growing and economic times were good, all was sweet for all carriers.

Now, with potentially shrinking market, every one of them will need to adapt. Some will be successful, some maybe not.

(FWIW: I place my money on QF/JQ/DJ/Rex adapting better than Tiger - i fear it may take them more than 4 years to turn a profit. If their owners have deep enough pockets they'll survive.).

 

[oz_mark]

Im not going to reveal my link to this organisation, either on here or in Private Message, but I thought I would just give a brief overview commenting that Tiger isn't leaving our skies.

While I have no doubt the backers of Tiger have deep pockets and intend to stay around and grow the business, it is difficult to test the veracity of your claims without some knowledge of how direct/indirect your links are, or how you came upon such information. I am not really concerned what the link is, just some knowledge is useful in putting some context around the message, although if I were to take a stab, I would suggest some sort of supplier to them!

 

[ANstar]

I also don't understand why you would start a thread with exactly the sort of post you are now railing against?

Thats what I find confusing - as the thread start the tone towards Tiger has changed signifiacntly after replies were posted.

Why say in your first post

What on earth are they doing wrong...They have a cost base so low, but still lose millions. Their losses are so big, mabye a pullout might just save some money??

And then say ....

What really gets to me is all the posts around the internet that say: "They wont make it through to 2009", "How can they keep going losing all this money", so I thought I would provide some small insight information.

It is strange - that in your first post you ask about what they are doing wrong, but when people comment on it you quote board meetings etc......

 

[crazydave98]

According to Sunstar320's first thread s/he is 18 years old and "going on worldwide adventures next year (Basically a enormous holiday celebrating the end of 13years of School!!!)"
http://www.frequentflyer.com.au/community/your-questions/qff-bronze-and-velocity-queries-13938.html

 

[comint]

Ohh, ohh, My turn to guess… Sunstar320 has a friend that works at Tiger, or more likely Aerocare. The original post was indicative of the feelings said friend exuded to the OP in conversations around the time of original posting. (Probably a discussion like, I don’t know if I will have a job this time in a month. Things aren’t good. Etc.)

So the OP thought s/he would post on AFF, to see what others thought about said friend’s dire prognosis.

The subsequent change in tone, is most likely due to the Tiger bigwigs realizing confidence was slipping amongst their little beavers, and delivering a morale boosting, “we’re here for the long run”, “we’ve got fantastic, special secret plans you won’t believe”, “everything is A OK” and “we’re on track” motivational speech.

This did the trick, and the new found confidence was relayed to the OP next time s/he chatted with said friend, and is thus now displayed in their posts!

 

[Platy]

Ohh.....the new found confidence was relayed to the OP next time s/he chatted with said friend, and is thus now displayed in their posts!

That may or may not be the case, Comint! IMHO the OP, whether or not intentionally, has elicited some very interesting information about the financial challenges of LCCs for us all to digest and discuss!

 

[straitman]

According to Sunstar320's first thread s/he is 18 years old and "going on worldwide adventures next year (Basically a enormous holiday celebrating the end of 13years of School!!!)"
http://www.frequentflyer.com.au/community/your-questions/qff-bronze-and-velocity-queries-13938.html

crazydave98,

Good catch. I'd researched his/her posts but missed that info.

That may or may not be the case, Comint! IMHO the OP, whether or not intentionally, has elicited some very interesting information about the financial challenges of LCCs for us all to digest and discuss!

Platy,

I agree in principle with a few other thoughts though. .... I need to think on it a little.

 

[ethernet]

Mega Trouble? Maybe just embarrassed and waiting to find the right time to spring the bad news in an unanticipated environment. I bet they have deep pockets and are committed to not being shown the door. They expect to see red. Even Ryan Air has issues, while many others just folded.

On the plus side, air rights to USA may be on the table, after Virgin gets established. Air Freight is a potential earner too, and that recent collusion case shows funny stuff does occur.

Lets see. Virgin has upped everything, and many often fly Qantas because there is negligible difference. Virgin is trying to match Qantas, and is not like the old. Both these companies will have losses on many non-protected routes. Both have been restrained from scalping due to TT.

What is surprising is the pulling power of lounges, over cheapest available airfare. If this variable shifts, things can happen. I believe the public service is not hitting 30% on other airlines.

 

[FL360]

If the management and the owner is from Singapore this might have something to do with their "strategic plan",

Kiasu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Ric]

Sunstar320 = Child of a Director of the Board??:idea::shock:
1st post is a bait??:?::?:


Ric

 

[NM]

If the management and the owner is from Singapore this might have something to do with their "strategic plan",

Indeed. I wonder if TT could wet-least some SQ 744 or A380 and, as an Australian airline, operate them trans-Pacific? If the aircraft remains in SQ livery with SQ cabin and tech crew, people would certainly link the two.

The difficulty would be managing to do it with an SQ flight number, and its unlikely TT would be invited into Star Alliance anytime soon.

 

[crazydave98]

Indeed. I wonder if TT could wet-least some SQ 744 or A380 and, as an Australian airline, operate them trans-Pacific? If the aircraft remains in SQ livery with SQ cabin and tech crew, people would certainly link the two.

The difficulty would be managing to do it with an SQ flight number, and its unlikely TT would be invited into Star Alliance anytime soon.

Not a chance. To be designated as an Australian airline it to meet ownership and control provisions - it is 100% Singapore owned. Don't you think SQ would have just set up a shelf company here if that were all it took to be able to fly trans-Pacific?

 

[NM]

Not a chance. To be designated as an Australian airline it to meet ownership and control provisions - it is 100% Singapore owned. Don't you think SQ would have just set up a shelf company here if that were all it took to be able to fly trans-Pacific?

Yeah, it did sound too simple. But I thought maybe TT may meet the ownership and control criteria through its current domestic ops. Maybe not??