The COVID-19 vaccine rollout in Australia has begun

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I agree about Inner Sydney, most of the student accommodation and many of the high rises are empty. I raised that a few days ago.

Most of the other red and amber areas have good first dose numbers, so will get to 80% double vaxed very soon.

I didn't post the greens, but heaps of areas already 90%+ double vaxed. Blacktown one of the worst hit areas tops the charts.

A certain someone keeps banging on about poor rate in Byron (Tweed in the Federal data), but their first dose is above 80% which is way a head of most of Queensland.
 

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I was just reading that he's said that if you're unvaccinated, don't plan on waiting him out. Well into 2022.
He may be saying that now to encourage people to get vaccinated, but if the cost of restrictions don‘t outweigh the benefits vaccination rates reach say 90% fully vaccinated, when will they? How long can they justify getting the pub owners, the retail shop owners, the hairdressers etc. to put an extra staff member on to check vaccination status?
 
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How long can they justify getting the pub owners, the retail shop owners, the hairdressers etc. to put an extra staff member on to check vaccination status?
And how to police it?. Random police visits into premises to audit Vax Certs?.
On the other hand pubs have long had to exclude underagers so they already have the bouncers and security.

I suspect VIC/QLD just trying to turn up the heat to get an acceleration in the Vax numbers especially now that there should not be a shortage of CovidVax.
 

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He may be saying that now to encourage people to get vaccinated, but if the cost of restrictions don‘t outweigh the benefits vaccination rates reach say 90% fully vaccinated, when will they? How long can they justify getting the pub owners, the retail shop owners, the hairdressers etc. to put an extra staff member on to check vaccination status?

The how long will probably be largely determined by the proportion, and numbers, of unvaccinated Covid patients that continue to present in the hospitals.

While that remains too high, which it currently is, then restrictions are likely to remain until as you have indicated a suitable double vaccinated rate is achieved. What that rate is time will tell.

Note that not all businesses will require a dedicated Covid Marshall at the door who needs to be hired for just that sole purpose. ie Hairdressers.


I had lunch with my daughter on Sunday. Her ward which is now looking after post-Covid patients is now full of Covid patients who are "recovered" in the sense that that are no longer infectious and the virus is no longer active in their bodies. But they either are just too debilitated from their time in the ICU to be able to be discharged. Brain fog and so cannot concentrate or perform daily tasks and/or are just too physically weak. Many are bed-ridden and cannot walk, or have a wide range of medical problems induced by having Covid which now need treated and managed. Many just cannot communicate at all well or not at all, and that complicates the task of caring for them, and this lack of interchange also makes the role of caring less enjoyable and satisfying.

Meanwhile the whole hospital is disrupted and many wards are not doing what they normally would. Many normal patients are not being seen, though acute and serious cases still are being dealt with.

On a personal level the work is very hard. Constant high level PPE, difficulty in taking breaks and keeping hydrated. Much of the day to day fun stuff that people do as part of their normal working lives is simply not possible at present. With all the staff movements, some of my daughter's colleagues she has never seen without a mask.

A fortnight ago my SIL who is a paraplegic was an emergency admission to ICU with a collapsed lung and other complications. Her post ICU Ward was on Monday converted to a Covid Ward and she was moved to different facility to recover and be treated for another 6 weeks. So she is one of the lucky ones in that her care can continue un-impeded.



I know that I am biased, but I personally have no problem with limiting what the unvaccinated can do for a period until their numbers greatly decrease from what they currently are. It is a "carrot" to get vaccinated, a "reward" for those that got vaccinated as well as control measure to slow down spread.

Supply was a problem. The primary care delivery channel was also problem in Victoria till sadly until about now in mid-October, but it should now have the capacity that it should have had months ago. So with both supply and capacity now both improved vaccination rates have climbed and each day now marches towards 90/90- which is not that far away.
 
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The problems post ICU though are not limited to covid patients.Often I have to look after cases who have spent a week or more in ICU and they virtually always are very debilitated.
And not all patients in hospital are seen by medical staff every day.For example I have 10 patients awaiting transfer to long care facilities.4 of them need a secure unit.Here those beds infrequently become available.
And those have been used as an example of an overrun hospital on numerous occasions by the local press.The real problem though is the lack of Aged Care beds.
 

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Agreed - was just typing something similar. I don't actually expect to see Sydney Inner City to shift that much more, as a larger proportion of the 2019 ERP (Estimated Resident Population) in the CBD that was there is likely not here now, or not resident in that area, to be vaccinated against the denominator.

It’s mirrored in the VIC stats as well, the 4 inner city Melb suburb LGA’s look low (relatively speaking of course) as well. They are going to have their population denominators ‘reviewed’ as well.
 

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Vaccination will not be mandated by SA Govt. However the current Boss of SA, the PC has just stated that events which require people to be vaccinated for entry, are much more likely to be approved than where this isn't a requirement.
 

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Vaccination will not be mandated by SA Govt. However the current Boss of SA, the PC has just stated that events which require people to be vaccinated for entry, are much more likely to be approved than where this isn't a requirement.
Very weak by the government and unfortunately similar to the QLD government it’s all going to get thrown back on to businesses
 

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Vaccination will not be mandated by SA Govt. However the current Boss of SA, the PC has just stated that events which require people to be vaccinated for entry, are much more likely to be approved than where this isn't a requirement.

Oh dear… this isn’t going to help the slow vaccine rollout in SA
 

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Oh dear… this isn’t going to help the slow vaccine rollout in SA
It’s been picking up and non vax won’t be allowed entry to sporting events which is a massive kicker for most South Aussies. Already know plenty of people that were hesitant that have gone and got the jab once the Ashes was announced as definitely going ahead. Mandatory vax on domestic flights isn’t too far off either which will spur on more. No doubt there will be some who won’t get it but they will get left behind and really who cares what happens to them
 

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It’s mirrored in the VIC stats as well, the 4 inner city Melb suburb LGA’s look low (relatively speaking of course) as well. They are going to have their population denominators ‘reviewed’ as well.

Yes as per my post back on Oct 10, the City of Melbourne LGA statistical population is greatly inflated by all the international students who normally reside there but are mainly all back overseas at present. City of Melbourne has a huge cluster of Universities, TAFES and private educational facilities that normally attract a large number of international students.

In the suburbs, the City of Monash's "official" population will also be somewhat inflated due to Monash University being located there and many students live on campus or in the many apartments and share-houses nearby. Ditto for Holmesglen TAFE which also normally has a large international student cohort.

Apart from international students, there are a considerable number of students from regional Victoria who are also currently back living in there home suburbs.
 

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Richard Wellingham

The Big V’s overnight vax tally (16+)
First: 89.21% (+0.40%)
Second: 69.28% (+1.28%)

On track to hit 70% sometime today at this rate. @abcmelbourne


PS. When the Vic State average hits 80% second doses on about Oct30/31, it will also be roughly when:
  • All the LGA's with the most cases should be over 70% second doses
  • That the younger age cohorts, which are also the ones generating the most amount of cases, should be near, or over, 70% doses (Note the 12-15 cohort will be roughly a fortnight after that due their late start in the race).
 

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It’s been picking up and non vax won’t be allowed entry to sporting events which is a massive kicker for most South Aussies. Already know plenty of people that were hesitant that have gone and got the jab once the Ashes was announced as definitely going ahead. Mandatory vax on domestic flights isn’t too far off either which will spur on more. No doubt there will be some who won’t get it but they will get left behind and really who cares what happens to them
The only reason for care is that non vaccinated may clog up precious public health resources for others who are ill from other reasons. And the kiddies under 5 who can’t be vaccinated.
 

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The Ethics Centre have put together a great article on vaccination guidelines for businesses - something they are struggling with at present. In their words:

As we navigate re-opening in this next phase of the pandemic, businesses are having to address complex ethical questions about the extent to which a person’s vaccination status should be a condition of their employment.


For my thinking. there's a fine line between mandating vaccinations so the workplace can go back to (near normal) working conditions and personal rights. Information, delivered well, is the key to increasing the vaccination rate steadily...
 

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From ABC Blog:

Premier Peter Gutwein says 70 per cent of Tasmanians aged over 16 are fully vaccinated against COVID-19 as of today.

Tasmanian health authorities want the state to reach at least a 90 per cent double-dose rate before opening up to coronavirus hotspots, with a target set for December 1.
 

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From ABC Blog:

Premier Peter Gutwein says 70 per cent of Tasmanians aged over 16 are fully vaccinated against COVID-19 as of today.

Tasmanian health authorities want the state to reach at least a 90 per cent double-dose rate before opening up to coronavirus hotspots, with a target set for December 1.
I have friends who were desperately hoping that a Melbourne Cup weekend trip to Tassie could still go ahead with VIC up around 80% by then, even though it was highly unlikely to be approved by Tassie.
 

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No chance Tassie will let NSW and Vic in before both Tassies and the state of departure hit 90% double vaxed. NSW will hit that milestones by end of October, but neither Tassie or Vic will, so will have to wait til December and may also still require a negative PCR (what a pain).
 

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What's up with all the anti-vaxxers on Anna's FB page saying they are waiting for Novovax? Where is this coming from? No country in the world is using Novovax.
 
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