The COVID-19 vaccine rollout in Australia has begun

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#2 son visited today <40, no vaccine availability, school stays open ( private school.. fee paying parents come first and staff can please themselves)
He presents as a sitting duck and we can do 0 to help...:(

That’s very sad I truly hope he survives if he gets covid and if he does, doesn’t have any long term complications from it :(

Alternatively could have a vaccine tomorrow if he wanted by visiting a GP, pharmacist or some hubs I think if in NSW.

You can only lead a horse to water and do so much, even with family.
 

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I think TGA is more the regulator, making sure the medicines do what they are supposed to, quality control, keeping track of side effects etc.

ATAGI then is an advisory group on how to implement the Covid vaccines. I guess it was such an important thing they wanted to make sure they had top level Scientific/medical people advising, rather than public service/politicians. However it does feel like they have caused problems……

ATAGI has had a role across the immunisation program for a number of years, wasn't just a Covid creation
 

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So why do we need both TGA and ATAGI? I've known about TGA forever but since when has ATAGi been so influential and isn't this a duplication of process?
Because TIA

This country seems to be full of pointless and irrelevant paper-pushing departments who purely exist to drain funds from the public purse.
 
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ATAGI has had a role across the immunisation program for a number of years, wasn't just a Covid creation
Obviously not very high profile before - had always heard of TGA - never ATAGI. I can see the need for the different roles - not really an overlap. However in hindsight perhaps an over reliance on their advice, but then hindsight is always easy :(

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so according to Dr Ron ATAGI is new, but the immunisation mob did exist before as NIP. Never heard of them either but probably didn’t need to unlike ATAGI.
 
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They actually don’t need ATAGI technically. The Feds used them to cover their cough in case things went pear shaped. Unfortunately it went pear shaped BECAUSE of ATAGI’s flawed approach.
Not quite true.
Australia for many years has had a body supervising Immunisation protocols - the NIP.

ATAGI was set up as initially there were no vaccines and developement was going to be qicker than normal.The members are all highly qualified and I have worked with one of them.you can easily work out who.

The problem is not the ATAGI recommendations but the reporting of them which often leaves out important pieces of those reccomendations.For example the reporting of the initial recommendation that Pfizer was the preferred vaccine for the under 50s.Another bit to that was that anyone who had had their first shot of AZ should have their second shot of AZ.At the time their was no authorisation of mixing vaccines and no evidence that mixing vaccines was effective.

I personally spoke to the member of ATAGI I know about this subject.One was a 30 year old registrar who had had his first AZ shot and had heard about the Pfizer myocarditis problem.he was advised to have his second shot of AZ.The other case knows the answer was the same.

Imagine if the media and armchair experts had publicised that bit of extra information.There would likely be a lot fewer people wanting a Pfizer second shot.
Another fact that several commentators don't get is that Atagi has never banned under 60s from getting AZ or that AZ was an inferior vaccine.The advice was always about the relative risk between the chance of clots and the chance of covid.The Sydney outbreak has changed that risk profile and good to see many under 40s who are sensible.
 

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Not quite true.
Australia for many years has had a body supervising Immunisation protocols - the NIP.

ATAGI was set up as initially there were no vaccines and developement was going to be qicker than normal.The members are all highly qualified and I have worked with one of them.you can easily work out who.

The problem is not the ATAGI recommendations but the reporting of them which often leaves out important pieces of those reccomendations.For example the reporting of the initial recommendation that Pfizer was the preferred vaccine for the under 50s.Another bit to that was that anyone who had had their first shot of AZ should have their second shot of AZ.At the time their was no authorisation of mixing vaccines and no evidence that mixing vaccines was effective.

I personally spoke to the member of ATAGI I know about this subject.One was a 30 year old registrar who had had his first AZ shot and had heard about the Pfizer myocarditis problem.he was advised to have his second shot of AZ.The other case knows the answer was the same.

Imagine if the media and armchair experts had publicised that bit of extra information.There would likely be a lot fewer people wanting a Pfizer second shot.
Another fact that several commentators don't get is that Atagi has never banned under 60s from getting AZ or that AZ was an inferior vaccine.The advice was always about the relative risk between the chance of clots and the chance of covid.The Sydney outbreak has changed that risk profile and good to see many under 40s who are sensible.
Yes agree with all that 😉. And a third case of whom you may be slightly aware of, likewise went through with second AZ even though in her thirties and with APS.

I’d have expected better marketing from the Federal Government around the release of vaccine information knowing the media just wants anyone’s blood.
 

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The advice was always about the relative risk between the chance of clots and the chance of covid.The Sydney outbreak has changed that risk profile and good to see many under 40s who are sensible.

I never fully understood this particular risk assessment. Yes, for a brief period, Australia was largely covid free, however we were still having regular (ie at least monthly) “break outs” from what is, by all counts, a proven leaky quarantine system. This outbreak in Sydney was always a case of when, not if.
 

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I never fully understood this particular risk assessment. Yes, for a brief period, Australia was largely covid free, however we were still having regular (ie at least monthly) “break outs” from what is, by all counts, a proven leaky quarantine system. This outbreak in Sydney was always a case of when, not if.
It was always a race.
 

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Because TIA

This country seems to be full of pointless and irrelevant paper-pushing departments who purely exist to drain funds from the public purse.
Yep. Got to invent jobs for bureaucrats.... Douglas Adams launched the useless third of society into space.
I never fully understood this particular risk assessment. Yes, for a brief period, Australia was largely covid free, however we were still having regular (ie at least monthly) “break outs” from what is, by all counts, a proven leaky quarantine system. This outbreak in Sydney was always a case of when, not if.
I simply couldn't understand that. It was almost always a given that it would eventually break out here, and this simply seemed like a way of wasting the time we'd been given.
It was always a race.
Probably not if you were in a position to jump to the top of an queue. It is a comment that will haunt him forever.
 
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Interesting quote from today's Victorian authorities press conference - reporting courtesy of ABC

Victoria's COVID positive cases - a snapshot​

CHO for Victoria, Brett Sutton says: "We have analysed the vaccination status of the 204 locally acquired cases from between July 12 and July 28. It's a small sample size, so it's not an analysis. It can't be applied universally, so it doesn't tell us everything but it's a moment in time of those who were hospitalised."

Of the 204 cases:

  • 25 had received a first dose of the vaccination
  • Only 10 of those where fully vaccinated
  • Of the 10 positive cases that were vaccinated, none of them were hospitalised
  • He says: "Of the 204 cases, 29 had been eligible but hadn't yet received a single vaccine"
 

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… He wants Pfizer because he has read and believed all the hype..he is a communication pro and of all people should know better
We can get him a spot with our practice where a gp interviews EVERYONE Before a nurse does the deed.
It's his call but if a high performing intellectual pro can be so influenced by the hype..what hope has the average joe ?
There’s a saying about leading a horse to water…….
 

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Anyone found a good source/graph of vaccine jabbing of when Australia and each State/Territory and the projected date each place might reach 70% and 80%???

Edit: this is the US one I was following Biden pledged 200 million Covid vaccinations in 100 days. The country hit that goal with a week to spare.

On ABC this AM they had a good section on all the numbers, projecting a couple of smaller states may get there by November.

Big problem states are unsurprisingly QLD (who have had very poor CHO leadership) and WA (who have an invisible CHO and vaccination program…)… these two states are going to be the anchors holding everyone back…
 

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Of the 204 cases:

  • 25 had received a first dose of the vaccination
  • Only 10 of those where fully vaccinated
  • Of the 10 positive cases that were vaccinated, none of them were hospitalised
  • He says: "Of the 204 cases, 29 had been eligible but hadn't yet received a single vaccine"
Are they saying nearly all of the cases were kids? Everyone 18+ became eligible and had time to have had at least one dose prior to July 12.
 
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Are they saying nearly all of the cases were kids? Everyone 18+ became eligible and had time to have had at least one dose prior to July 12.
Only if you navigated a path through the bamboozling set of advice and counter advice that brought you to the conclusion that you should get AZ.
 

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Are they saying nearly all of the cases were kids? Everyone 18+ became eligible and had time to have had at least one dose prior to July 12.

Technically this is correct but you have to forgive some people for not instantly seeing through the mess that ATAGI made and the rubbish some CHO’s have been spouting. It’s confused a lot of people.

Thankfully now we are seeing much clearer communication, especially in NSW where we are seeing thousands and thousands of young people turn up to be vaccinated now.

Let’s hope that trend spreads nationally.
 

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Anyone found a good source/graph of vaccine jabbing of when Australia and each State/Territory and the projected date each place might reach 70% and 80%???

Edit: this is the US one I was following Biden pledged 200 million Covid vaccinations in 100 days. The country hit that goal with a week to spare.
Not the precise graph I'm looking for, but most likely candidate to be updated at a national level.

 
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Covid Live is taking all my fun away. They are now producing estimates based on 7 day averages of when Aus will reach various milestones of first and second doses.

it currently has 80% of the adult population with 1st jabs around the end of October. Second doses considerably longer. Of course it will depend on the wildcard of whether people continue to come forward at the same rate as they are now.

second doses timeframe will depend very much on whether they are AZ or Pfizer and whether the gap remains at 11 to 12 weeks for AZ or brought closer together.

with increasing availability of Pfizer and increasing outlets, hard not to see those targets reducing.
 
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