The COVID-19 vaccine rollout in Australia has begun

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So Virgin is joining the incentives:

Virgin Australia has followed Qantas in announcing its own incentive program for Australians to get vaccinated against COVID-19.

However, the Virgin announcement said the competition would not open until all Australian adults are eligible for vaccination. At present, only Australians aged 40 and over are eligible for the vaccine, with the exception of those in front line roles or with conditions that make them vulnerable to the disease.


 

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Lt Gen Frewen has now published full expected allocation of AZ and Pfizer doses for rest of year, broken down by state and territory, and GP clinics.

No data on what has occurred though.


COVID Vaccination Allocations Horizons

Provided to State and Territory Health CEOs by the Coordinator General of the National COVID Vaccine Taskforce on 19 June 2021. Please note that allocations are weekly indicative totals and demonstrate vaccination allocations increasing over 2021. Precise allocations to states and primary care will continue to be reviewed to ensure maximum effectiveness in delivery. Given the size of the Australian population over 60, it is assumed that demand for AstraZeneca doses will reduce in Horizon 2 and be met by Horizon 3. However, AZ doses will be available if demand continues through Horizon 2 and 3

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You can read the ten pages, including for each jurisdiction at:

 
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So Virgin is joining the incentives:

Virgin Australia has followed Qantas in announcing its own incentive program for Australians to get vaccinated against COVID-19.

However, the Virgin announcement said the competition would not open until all Australian adults are eligible for vaccination. At present, only Australians aged 40 and over are eligible for the vaccine, with the exception of those in front line roles or with conditions that make them vulnerable to the disease.


Don't hold your breath.
 

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Looks like there are some cracks appearing.... Brett Sutton doesn’t appear to agree with our revered ATAGI’s ‘enhanced’ vax advice.... very interesting....

A lot of our younger workers (who got vaccinated because of our industry) friends are very jealous and would happily take AZ if they could..... maybe there is a market.

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Sutton says Victoria would consider opening AstraZeneca jab for people under 60​


Victoria's CHO Professor Brett Sutton says Victoria would consider opening up AstraZeneca shots to people under the age of 60, despite the recent ATAGI advice.

Many young people have told the ABC they would be willing to take the very small risk of the rare blood clotting disorder associated with a tiny number of people who have received the jab.

“We want to get maximal capacity through all our vaccination settings, including primary care, as well as our state vaccination sites,” Professor Sutton said.

 
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Fairfax has a story that the AstraZeneca vaccine is to be used after October only on request.
 

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Fairfax has a story that the AstraZeneca vaccine is to be used after October only on request.



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Lieutenant General John Frewen says the figures assume the AstraZeneca vaccine will be largely phased out towards the end of the year, and only available on request.
"The assumptions in the ranges there is for all of those people and cohorts that AstraZeneca is preferred we think they'll have received their AstraZeneca before the fourth quarter, for any people who still do require AstraZeneca we will have allocations available into the fourth quarter," he said.

I think that is a big assumption that those eligible will present for vaccination by end of Sept, and as stated that if they do not then AZ vaccinations will continue, plus that there would still be some awaiting their second dose. So at this stage it would be unlikely to cease at the end of September entirely.

Part of the problem is that you have:
  • the vaccine hesitant who have indicated that they will get vaccinated, but are in no rush to do so - this will probably take a while
  • those that will choose to not get vaccinated
And it is not really know how many of each that will be.
 
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Chaos, poor messaging, changing advice, an ineffective booking system, ending walk ins , a lack of clear and effective communication- the result = wastage

No chaos on my & others I've spoken to at the venue.
What you think advice shouldn't change if the medical knowledge changes?
Booking system works absolutely fine, you call you book a time, now you can book online, seems all fine to me.

30 doses wasted, wow end of the world scenario!
We live in a world of so much wastage you wouldn't believe, just take a look around.
 
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This one is just hilarious and shows the value to the community of the care and attention of the grammar and correct usage pedants amongst us!

I should hope that the vaccine does not in fact effect transmission of the virus (very counter-intuitive!), but rather might affect transmission 😂. Or perhaps this ABC journalist is a card carrying member of the conspiracy theories about the vaccine :eek: and is sending a reminder to the followers.

Either way, gave me a good laugh this morning.


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Chaos, poor messaging, changing advice, an ineffective booking system, ending walk ins , a lack of clear and effective communication- the result = wastage

I know in the USA at the start of the rollout when it was very much age-based, the mass vaccination centers had a system for people without appointments/outside the age range to physically line up and wait for any unused doses which would otherwise go to waste. My understanding is that while these lines involved long waits, they were successful - better a shot in any arm then in the trash. There are ways of making this more efficient - having say an 8-12 and then a 12-4 waiting line - give out the vaccines for the first bucket no shows at 12:30 and then for the 2nd bucket no shows at 4:30. I am fairly certain there are people who deal with exactly this type of logistical arrangement (see Disney with lines and systems). Even local area (aka non-mass vaccination sites) could do something similar via a text message WL system. The lack of practical creativity continues to astound me. They had 13 plus months to figure this all out - it didn't even require an imagination - all that was needed is to look to what was going on overseas and see that this was "a thing"
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I like that rhetoric. If people aren't going to hospital in droves, what's the point in economic Hara Kiri?

Just so sad what has happened to the Astra Zeneca vaccine in this country. We are so privileged.
Agree - there are so many people who would love to have access to the AZ vaccine.
 

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I know in the USA at the start of the rollout when it was very much age-based, the mass vaccination centers had a system for people without appointments/outside the age range to physically line up and wait for any unused doses which would otherwise go to waste. My understanding is that while these lines involved long waits, they were successful - better a shot in any arm then in the trash. There are ways of making this more efficient - having say an 8-12 and then a 12-4 waiting line - give out the vaccines for the first bucket no shows at 12:30 and then for the 2nd bucket no shows at 4:30. I am fairly certain there are people who deal with exactly this type of logistical arrangement (see Disney with lines and systems). Even local area (aka non-mass vaccination sites) could do something similar via a text message WL system. The lack of practical creativity continues to astound me. They had 13 plus months to figure this all out - it didn't even require an imagination - all that was needed is to look to what was going on overseas and see that this was "a thing"
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Agree - there are so many people who would love to have access to the AZ vaccine.

Yup and it’s started leaking out that ATAGI was not in consensus at all about the ‘enhanced’ guidelines around AZ in AU.

This explains a lot of the certain furious faces after the announcement and certain comments now coming out.
 

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Yup and it’s started leaking out that ATAGI was not in consensus at all about the ‘enhanced’ guidelines around AZ in AU.
Really? I can't say I am surprised, is this just industry rumour or are there stories out there about it.

Edit: Oh are you referring to Brett Sutton? He is 100% correct this time, in my opinion.
 
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Looks like there are some cracks appearing.... Brett Sutton doesn’t appear to agree with our revered ATAGI’s ‘enhanced’ vax advice.... very interesting....

A lot of our younger workers (who got vaccinated because of our industry) friends are very jealous and would happily take AZ if they could..... maybe there is a market.

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Sutton says Victoria would consider opening AstraZeneca jab for people under 60​


Victoria's CHO Professor Brett Sutton says Victoria would consider opening up AstraZeneca shots to people under the age of 60, despite the recent ATAGI advice.

Many young people have told the ABC they would be willing to take the very small risk of the rare blood clotting disorder associated with a tiny number of people who have received the jab.

“We want to get maximal capacity through all our vaccination settings, including primary care, as well as our state vaccination sites,” Professor Sutton said.


Nothing that ATAGI says binds anyone at all as a matter of law. ATAGI is, according to its terms of reference and statement of strategic intent, merely a technical advisory body to the Minister of Health. If a state wishes to continue to administer AZ to those willing to take it, the state may continue to do so.

ATAGI has overstepped its terms of reference, and the Federal government took no corrective action (eg, by making a statement clarifying ATAGI's role and admonishing it for overstepping its role). That is concerning in itself. The inference I draw from that is that the Federal government is content to refrain from critical analysis of the technical advice it is receiving from ATAGI and accept what it says at face value, notwithstanding that would deny those who wish to be vaccinated sooner rather than later from being vaccinated and protected against Covid-19. That is ethically dubious, to say the least.
 

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Nothing that ATAGI says binds anyone at all as a matter of law. ATAGI is, according to its terms of reference and statement of strategic intent, merely a technical advisory body to the Minister of Health. If a state wishes to continue to administer AZ to those willing to take it, the state may continue to do so.

ATAGI has overstepped its terms of reference, and the Federal government took no corrective action (eg, by making a statement clarifying ATAGI's role and admonishing it for overstepping its role). That is concerning in itself. The inference I draw from that is that the Federal government is content to refrain from critical analysis of the technical advice it is receiving from ATAGI and accept what it says at face value, notwithstanding that would deny those who wish to be vaccinated sooner rather than later from being vaccinated and protected against Covid-19. That is ethically dubious, to say the least.
Honestly, if the Feds decided to publically correct ATAGI that would mess up what is already a rather messy vaccination process. I'm not sure it is ever a good thing to admonish any Advisory body in the public sphere.
 

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Reading some of the posts about those over 50 cancelling their second jab of AZ and wanting pfizer is there any medical reason this is not advisable. I am assuming that those going down this path would still require x2 pfizer. It seems to be happening overseas but not approved in AU. Is there any issues with mixing the vaccine's.
 
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