Should I stay or should I go (EuroZone)

[marki]

Yep, that was clearly aimed at me. From memory, not game to read back further in case of more mistakes, I bagged the point of this thread in about post 3. Leaving it shortly afterwards - but the power of Monty Python dragged me back.

Medhead I have a lot of respect for you as you don't beat around the bush and say what you think hey sometimes I don't agree.

I too have amnesia for some past events and certain dates and time ( which I am grateful for)

It it was really a very very friendly dig aimed in that direction

 

[marki]

Since 9/11, more people in the USA killed by Police then Americans killed in War.

Shock Report: More Americans Killed by Police Since 9/11 than Soldiers Killed in War -

Reading that report you think terrorism had won shocking stats

On the other hand the Political correctness in Germany i.e. with not reporting of rapes by refugees is by example another madness which is polar to the above US situation with police being trigger happy.

 

[marki]

A new survey of voters in ten EU countries.

Public disaffection with the EU is being fueled by the bloc's mishandling of the refugee and debt crises, according to the survey, which interviewed voters in Britain, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, the Netherlands, Poland, Spain and Sweden.

Public anger is also being fueled by the growing number of diktats issued by the unelected officials running the Brussels-based European Commission, the powerful administrative arm of the bloc, which has been relentless in its usurpation of sovereignty from the 28 nation states that comprise the European Union.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8224/european-union-support

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Public anger is also being fueled by the growing number of diktats issued by the unelected officials running the Brussels-based European Commission,

Except that these 'unelected' officials are actually appointed through the permission of the various EU and member state parliaments - all directly elected by the people themselves. But if people can't be bothered to vote for the EU they want, they can't really complain.

 

[drron]

Except that these 'unelected' officials are actually appointed through the permission of the various EU and member state parliaments - all directly elected by the people themselves. But if people can't be bothered to vote for the EU they want, they can't really complain.

The European Commission initiates all legislation.It is composed of 1 member from each state appointed by their Government.
People do vote for their own parliament but to think they are voting primarily to influence the decision as to who becomes an European Commissioner is clearly wrong.

 

[marki]

How Accurate are the Britexit poles ??

http://www.ft.com/intl/eu-referendum

After failing to predict the 2015 election, the polling industry still has questions to resolve!

 

[MEL_Traveller]

The European Commission initiates all legislation.It is composed of 1 member from each state appointed by their Government.
People do vote for their own parliament but to think they are voting primarily to influence the decision as to who becomes an European Commissioner is clearly wrong.

Exactly - Commissioners are put forward by the government of each of the states. The government is directly elected by the people.

The EU President is elected by the European Parliament - again directly elected by the citizens of each of the EU member states.

If any citizen has feeling about representation at the EU level, they should vote according to the party that will best represent them (and put forward or vote for candidates in line with their political direction).

If I vote in a Tory government I would expect a Tory commissioner.

Same applies in Australia or the USA with the appointment of officials/judges/police commissioners etc. We generally get people appointed in line with the government of the day.

 

[drron]

I think that they may be wrong again.A big rumour George Soros is betting on Brexit by a move on the Euro.He probably has reasonable info that he trusts.

 

[marki]

Exactly - Commissioners are put forward by the government of each of the states. The government is directly elected by the people.

The EU President is elected by the European Parliament - again directly elected by the citizens of each of the EU member states.

If any citizen has feeling about representation at the EU level, they should vote according to the party that will best represent them (and put forward or vote for candidates in line with their political direction).

If I vote in a Tory government I would expect a Tory commissioner.

Same applies in Australia or the USA with the appointment of officials/judges/police commissioners etc. We generally get people appointed in line with the government of the day.

http://www.ft.com/intl/eu-referendum

Listen to M Farage MEL_Traveller towards the end he talks about the unelected.

6:30 in should be just right

 

[marki]

I think that they may be wrong again.A big rumour George Soros is betting on Brexit by a move on the Euro.He probably has reasonable info that he trusts.

Heard that ...... Waiting for the Euro to go bust very soon

 

[drron]

Exactly - Commissioners are put forward by the government of each of the states. The government is directly elected by the people.

The EU President is elected by the European Parliament - again directly elected by the citizens of each of the EU member states.

If any citizen has feeling about representation at the EU level, they should vote according to the party that will best represent them (and put forward or vote for candidates in line with their political direction).

If I vote in a Tory government I would expect a Tory commissioner.

Same applies in Australia or the USA with the appointment of officials/judges/police commissioners etc. We generally get people appointed in line with the government of the day.

Except that in the UK there are Tories and Labor MPs on both sides of the EU argument so how do you know who is going to be chosen
Then when they become EU Commissioners they must pledge to act in the interests of the EU and not the country who picked them
On top of which do you really expect the stance of the Party on the EU is the major reason for a person's vote?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Brexit

Listen to M Farage MEL_Traveller towards the end he talks about the unelected.

6:30 in should be just right

Still part of the democratic process.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

On top of which do you really expect the stance of the Party on the EU is the major reason for a person's vote?

Again - part of the democratic process. Political parties are pretty in tune with what voters are thinking (especially around election time). They do massive amounts of polling and market research. If EU issues were that major, they'd be pushing their policies on it.

I can't really think of anything major, driven by the EU, that affected me negatively in all the time I was living there. In fact there are some pretty big advantages such as EU261.

 

[marki]

Again - part of the democratic process. Political parties are pretty in tune with what voters are thinking (especially around election time). They do massive amounts of polling and market research. If EU issues were that major, they'd be pushing their policies on it.

I can't really think of anything major, driven by the EU, that affected me negatively in all the time I was living there. In fact there are some pretty big advantages such as EU261.

Oh Yes EU261 is a great thing, it's so unfortunate that the airlines here ( Qantas) get away with murder !!!!

 

[marki]

EU261 for those not in the know

 

[drron]

Again - part of the democratic process. Political parties are pretty in tune with what voters are thinking (especially around election time). They do massive amounts of polling and market research. If EU issues were that major, they'd be pushing their policies on it.

I can't really think of anything major, driven by the EU, that affected me negatively in all the time I was living there. In fact there are some pretty big advantages such as EU261.

So you voted on national issues and not on who was to be appointed an EU Commissioner which is exactly my point.
Now if the Commissioners were appointed by the EU parliament which people can vote for it would be more transparent.
At the moment they are non elected officials and organisations such as the German Supreme Court don't regard it as a sufficiently democratic procedure.

 

[marki]

So you voted on national issues and not on who was to be appointed an EU Commissioner which is exactly my point.
Now if the Commissioners were appointed by the EU parliament which people can vote for it would be more transparent.
At the moment they are non elected officials and organisations such as the German Supreme Court don't regard it as a sufficiently democratic procedure.

Totally agree not sufficiently democratic

 

[drron]

Another attack in Paris-police commander and wife stabbed to death at home.
However News Ltd should employ more proof readers with this line in their report-

Paris journalist Peter Allen tweeted the 42-year-old officer was stabbed to death before being killed by police commandos.

Paris: Hostage siege ends, policeman, wife and attacker dead

 

[whatmeworry]

Aussie stockmarket plunged today on fears of a Brexit.

More than $26 billion has been wiped off the Australian share market after it plunged to a seven-week low amid worries about a US interest rate announcement and the Brexit vote.

Brexit worries wipe $26 billion off the Australian share market

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[amaroo]

Vote - YES!!!!!!!