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welcome to AFF, madmat777.

It depends on the mileage of each of your flights (between cities), your airlines flown and your class of travel. Refer to this chart as a starting point.

If you give us your itinerary, others here can assist to help you calculate and then shown you how to do it for yourself subsequently.
 

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Thanks Lindsay

Travelling BNE-SNG-LHR-Stockholm-Belfast-New York-LAX-BNE. Really would like to go Business, but CFO says no! I now want to fire her, but she's my wife doh!.
 

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madmat777 said:
Thanks Lindsay

Travelling BNE-SNG-LHR-Stockholm-Belfast-New York-LAX-BNE. Really would like to go Business, but CFO says no! I now want to fire her, but she's my wife doh!.
BNE (27°23'03"S 153°07'03"E) SIN (01°21'01"N 103°59'40"E) 3816 mi
SIN (01°21'01"N 103°59'40"E) LHR (51°28'39"N 00°27'41"W) 6765 mi
LHR (51°28'39"N 00°27'41"W) ARN (59°39'07"N 17°55'07"E) 911 mi
ARN (59°39'07"N 17°55'07"E) BFS (54°39'27"N 06°12'57"W) 965 mi
BFS (54°39'27"N 06°12'57"W) JFK (40°38'23"N 73°46'44"W) 3164 mi
JFK (40°38'23"N 73°46'44"W) LAX (33°56'33"N 118°24'29"W) 2475 mi
LAX (33°56'33"N 118°24'29"W) BNE (27°23'03"S 153°07'03"E) 7161 mi

So for SCs

30+40+15+15+25+25+45 = 195 in discount economy ( would be 780 in business )

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Thanks Dave,

But please don't tell me that you knew all of that off-hand! Is there a tool that you used to work that out?
 

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Thanks Dave,

But please don't tell me that you knew all of that off-hand! Is there a tool that you used to work that out?
I used Great Circle Mapper for the distances (http://gc.kls2.com)
The QF website lists SC earning
The ability to do arithmetic allowed me to get the total

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Dave Noble said:
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The QF website lists SC earning
The ability to do arithmetic allowed me to get the total ...Dave
I would also hazard a gues that a good memory enabled n²
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to substitute:

SIN for SNG
ARN for Stockholm
BFS for Belfast &
JFK for New York,

without looking up any references etc.;I certainly did not know the second and third of those.

FWIW, the distance totals over 25,000 miles and it may be worth investigating an AA Platinum Challenge. Depending on the carrier & class of travel for each flight, this may give you and your CFO oneWORLD Sapphire status, giving you both lounge access.

Dave has posted a very good rescource about that here on this board:

AA Platinum Challenge - Tips
 

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serfty said:
Dave Noble said:
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The QF website lists SC earning
The ability to do arithmetic allowed me to get the total ...Dave
I would also hazard a gues that a good memory enabled n²
DSN
to substitute:

SIN for SNG
ARN for Stockholm
BFS for Belfast &
JFK for New York,

without looking up any references etc.;I certainly did not know the second and third of those.
Indeed; I did know the codes for Belfast and Stockholm and hazarded a guess that he really meant Singapore rather than Ho Chi Minn ( hint: if not sure of codes , use the names :) )

Dave
 

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Dave Noble said:
Indeed; I did know the codes for Belfast and Stockholm and hazarded a guess that he really meant Singapore rather than Ho Chi Minn ( hint: if not sure of codes , use the names :) )

Dave
Note to self : don't guess code :)

Thanks for the info - that sounds really good.
Does the AA challange give any extra benifits over QF Gold (almost there after this trip)?
 

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To quote myself from earlier today on another AFF thread:

Lindsay Wilson said:
Really the major points for the AA program (as I see them, others will have their own POV), particularly Plat and Executive Plat:

1. Very useful if you are flying to USA (regularly) so doing AA domestic trips (either as part of a Economy ticket ticket from Aust, or separate AA economy tickets)
- allows you to use points to upgrade to F (think loosely of QF Dom J)
- credit original class of travel points & status to either program

2. Ability to select seats (both domestic & Intl) on-line.

3. Better points "earn and burn" ratios (on most of the award sectors I've seen)
- for redemptions consider 20K points for an economy seat anywhere in Aust/NZ/SW Pacific; versus QF's.
- maximum of 15K points for upgrades in continental USA (can include multiple flights if availability is there ar time of booking)
Doing the Plat Challenge will also give you additional AA points (double mileage on the flight that achieves it), which is also better than QF program (where that doesn't happen).

Bonus mileage when AA Plat is 100% (minimum is 500 miles per QF/AA segment). Bonus mileage in QF is 50% (but with minimum of 1,000 miles per segment).

If you start the Plat Challenge on or after 16 June, then AA Plat status until 28 Feb 2008. This may or may not be better than attaining QF Gold (depends on your membership year and when you would achieve Gold)
 

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Thank you to all - I really appreciate the information.

I'm going to do at least two of these a year from now on so I should be able to maintain the status easily.

Lindsay, I noticed you are QFF Plat, is that better than AA Exec PLat?

Who is the best TA to use for booking this RTW? I plan to go BA's WT+ (CFO has been told it's not business class).
 

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madmat777 said:
Thank you to all - I really appreciate the information.

I'm going to do at least two of these a year from now on so I should be able to maintain the status easily.

Lindsay, I noticed you are QFF Plat, is that better than AA Exec PLat?

Who is the best TA to use for booking this RTW? I plan to go BA's WT+ (CFO has been told it's not business class).
I would say that you would be better off with AA scheme. Using 2 economy ATW tickets it can be pretty easy to maintain status. Also, you will likely earn more miles per flight and will spend less miles for awards. Also, you will not pay fuel fines on your award bookings.

QF Plat is the same status as AA EXP; the tangible benefit of QF Plat is being able to visit QF lounges if not travelling. The main benefit of AA EXP is the 8 Systemwide upgrade vouchers that you receive.

If you take BA WT+ SYD-LHR as a single sector , then you will qualify for Platinum on that 1st flight and also get the 10,500 Platinum bonus for it too

Also, when you head back to Oz, do use the AA codeshare on the Qantas flight rather than the QF flight number in order to maximise mileage earning

To book the trip, phone the AA ATW desk on +1 800 247 3247

Dave
 

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Yes, I'm QFF Plat, but so are serfty & Dave Noble. QF Plat = oneworld Emerald = AA Executive Platinum. If you're going to be doing this type of trip at least twice a year, then you may achieve Executive Platinum under AA (100,000 miles or 100,000 EQP's or 100 sectors IIRC)

Who is the best TA - how long is a bit of string?? Does your company have a corporate TA??

Why am I changing from QFF to AAAdvantage...well grab a cuppa. Alas, this'll be my last year as Plat (5 good years), as I'm moving most of my flights to AA. I'll be crediting any red e-Deal or Super saver sectors (O, N, G, S, V, L, R and M class) to my QFF account (not many of them anyway), but putting all my mostly Flexi Saver and Fully Flexible domestic fares (K, W, H or Y) to AA. I have little chance for overseas travel for work or pleasure in the foreseeable future.

Better earning under AA and I'll also be laundering any CC points over to AA as well (mostly using SPG as my flush through program). I'll achieve QF Lifetime Silver in 130 SC's (so this year). Together with Lifetime QC means I'll always be able to get into the QC when I'm flying (even if I'm not AA Plat) and I'll always earn as a QF Silver member any of those flights credited to QFF.

Another 7,000 SC's for Lifetime Gold seems a very long way for no perceived benefits once there, versus getting to AA's 1 million miles and achieving Lifetime Gold (then 2MM and Lifetime Platinum). Now that's a goal worth achieving...but how you ask. I'll be able to do from my ongoing domestic flying but most of the miles will come from CC points that I'll transfer into AA. CC points accrue for Lifetime status over there, crazy but true and very beneficial (whereas they don't in QF, it's BIS miles that accrue status). All of this has been worked out using my TA, Sir Dave Noble and seeing others doing it as well ( ozmerish is well on the way and IainF is also on the program)
 

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I'm moving most of my flights to AA
I too am considering moving my flights to AA.

For the last couple of years, due to changes in work travel I have failed to maintain SG. This year, I will have fortnightly travels MEL-SYD and with information from here I will easily qualify for SQ. Plus, I am planning for a LONE4 ticket each year.

Next calendar year, I am thinking of moving to AA.

With AA, the LONE4 should allow me to maintain AA PLAT, if not, together with my work travels I should make it comfortably. Also keep in mind that with the 500 minimum EQP/EQM, fare classes are less important when posting to AA for requalification.

Even though if I stick with QF, I will achieve SG or even WP, with my business travel and LONE4, I am leaning to AA due to the Million Miler Program and Earn/Burn ratios.

I am yet to fully analyse between QF and AA, as changing work travel is the major factor, but the AA program seems to provide better elite perks…even for those of us in Australia.

Given for me the saving grace of work travel is to use the points and status earned for leisure travel, AA offers a better program…especially as I am satisfied with the CX Business Lounge and do not need the First Lounge access.

Lindsay Wilson said:
I'm moving most of my flights to AA. I'll be crediting any red e-Deal or Super saver sectors (O, N, G, S, V, L, R and M class) to my QFF account (not many of them anyway), but putting all my mostly Flexi Saver and Fully Flexible domestic fares (K, W, H or Y) to AA. I have little chance for overseas travel for work or pleasure in the foreseeable future.
Same here, but to achieve EXP PLAT on AA, I will need all the help I can get…so all flights will be posted to AA to try for EXP PLAT based on EQP. Given my travel is for MEL-SYD and MEL-CBR, the 500 EQM/EQP minimum would apply for all fares except B and Y which would earn 150% EQP.

How has Alan in CBR achieved his EXP PLAT? If he doesn’t mind me asking :D
 

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Welcome to AFF madmat777 :)

A fairly simple RTW like this is actually a good candidate for a Star Alliance RTW IMHO - in particular Star Lite (under 26k miles). Should be significantly cheaper than a LONE4. Of course this doesnt help with QF status, but 2 such RTWs a year is enough for *Gold status which has some pretty good benefits (not quite as good as QFF Platinum).
 

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Dave Noble said:
serfty said:
Dave Noble said:
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The QF website lists SC earning
The ability to do arithmetic allowed me to get the total ...Dave
I would also hazard a gues that a good memory enabled n²
DSN
to substitute:

SIN for SNG
ARN for Stockholm
BFS for Belfast &
JFK for New York,

without looking up any references etc.;I certainly did not know the second and third of those.
Indeed; I did know the codes for Belfast and Stockholm and hazarded a guess that he really meant Singapore rather than Ho Chi Minn ( hint: if not sure of codes , use the names :) )

Dave
Errr Ho Chi Minh City is SGN not SNG.
 

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Lindsay Wilson said:
CC points accrue for Lifetime status over there, crazy but true and very beneficial (whereas they don't in QF, it's BIS miles that accrue status).
WHAT!!!! To answer your first Qn re Corporate TA, we have no one - I'm a 10 year old start-up (FYI see web link in my message footer) so it's up to me to find a corporate TA (any sugestions?)

Flip side is that I put all business expenses possible through CC that gives me QFF points (now have enough points to take the kids to Disneyland). If AA has CC point credited towards status, I'd romp that in.

AA here I come - Thank you all so much for your freely given advice.

Kiwi Flyer said:
A fairly simple RTW like this is actually a good candidate for a Star Alliance RTW IMHO - in particular Star Lite (under 26k miles). Should be significantly cheaper than a LONE4. Of course this doesnt help with QF status, but 2 such RTWs a year is enough for *Gold status which has some pretty good benefits (not quite as good as QFF Platinum).
If there was a Star Aliance carrier for Domestic AU flights, I'd do it. I still need Qantas. Damn Ansett colapse.
 

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Flip side is that I put all business expenses possible through CC that gives me QFF points (now have enough points to take the kids to Disneyland). If AA has CC point credited towards status, I'd romp that in.

AA here I come - Thank you all so much for your freely given advice.
As has been mentioned, you can launder from AMEX to AA at 1 AMEX point to 0.4125 AA points; if you have an AMEX card that gives 1.5 points per dollar spend, that does work out at 0.61875 AA points per $ spend , which isnt that bad compared to US cards to AA miles. US CCs seem to give 1 AA point per US$ , this works out at 0.847 AA points per US$

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How has Alan in CBR achieved his EXP PLAT? If he doesn’t mind me asking :D
Don't mind at all. Here was my basic itinerary - all booked in Economy. I've used Great Circle Mapper for the distances:

Trip 1.
CBR-SYD 500 Q-points
SYD-LHR in BA WT+ (1.5 Q-points per mile) 15859 Q-points
LHR-SYD in BA WT+ 15859 Q-points
SYD-CBR 500 Q-points

Total Q-points: 32718

Trip 2.
CBR-SYD 500 Q-points
SYD-LAX on QF, but with AA flight numbers to ensure 1 Q-point per mile 7488 Q-points
LAX-IAD on AA 2288 Q-points
Then I stupidly took a convenient flight from IAD to LHR on BA, rather than routing IAD-ORD-LHR on AA. This meant that I had to put those points to QF, since they would earn nothing on AA. Although it turned out to be not so stupid since I received a double op-up from World Traveller to Club World.
LHR-SYD in BA WT+ 15859 Q-points
SYD-CBR 500 Q-points

Total Q-points: 26635

Trip 3.
CBR-SYD 500 Q-points
SYD-LAX on QF, in B class (1.5 Q-points per mile) 14976 Q-points
LAX-IAD in B class 4576 Q-points
IAD-ORD on AA in a 1.0 Q-points per mile class 589 Q-points
ORD-LHR on AA 3953 Q-points
LHR-ORD on AA 3953 Q-points
ORD-IAD on AA 589 Q-points
IAD-LAX in B class 4576 Q-points
LAX-SYD on QF, in B class 14976 Q-points
SYD-CBR 500 Q-points

Total Q-points: 49188

Grand total: 108541

Actually I think it was only 104K, so I may have one or two minor details wrong, but that's the gist of it.

Cheers,
Alan.
 

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madmat777 said:
If there was a Star Aliance carrier for Domestic AU flights, I'd do it. I still need Qantas. Damn Ansett colapse.
It may not be that far away if Virgin joins star alliance or at least codeshares flights with star alliance carriers.
 
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