QF636 SAGA!! How do I ensure this gets looked at?

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Re: QF636 SAGA!! How do I ensure this gets looked at?

Good news is I think you've ensured that.
All I can really say is, wow.
I think you all deserve a free trip to LAX or something.

I agree: no problems with holding patterns and at least the QF plane had more spare minutes of fuel than some others, but it shows a systemic problem at QF.
It's not a great motivator to be the one with the most fuel though is it. And that is a major problem.
 
That is truly outrageous & very poor on QF's behalf.

I'm sure Red Roo will follow up. He/She are very good at helping us out on AFF

Welcome to AFF by the way :)
 
Did you submit a formal written complaint at all? I'm always interested in how quickly QF respond. I'm often left wondering if they triage complaints and respond accordingly. Personally I would expect an initial verbal response within 24-48hrs for this type of experience.

Hi - yes I got around to submitting this online today. But from my interpretation of the QF Customer Service Mgr's comments, it was more about getting it into the system than getting any action.
 
Frankly, unless both of you live in Brisbane and understand, I don't see how the first party should not be subjected to the treatment; and as for the second one, at minimum would be dismissal from their job, with no reference for any future work in customer service. In Singapore, there would also be the option to have all retirement benefits confiscated, but not in this country.......
Frankly, I am glad that our justice system has moved on from that. Maybe you guys in Queensland like it for sport, but here in the civilized world, most of us would see it as a way over the top response.
 
Hi - yes I got around to submitting this online today. But from my interpretation of the QF Customer Service Mgr's comments, it was more about getting it into the system than getting any action.

Good to hear. Given red roo has noted your concerns it's likely you'll get a prompt response. Hopefully they can identify systems failures and implement changes. More importantly, from a customer perspective; offer compensation where appropriate.
 
Frankly, I am glad that our justice system has moved on from that. Maybe you guys in Queensland like it for sport, but here in the civilized world, most of us would see it as a way over the top response.

No, I think I was being deadly serious. Because a serious misdemeanour demands serious restitution.

And frankly, if you advocate we live in a civilised world, then the treatment of the OP is decidedly uncivil, and quite frankly to use even use the word 'uncivil' is being far too generous. I'd say it's negligent.

How can you possibly qualify that this response is over the top??

But in any case, the most important component of the resolution will be the compensation and repair of goodwill to the OP.
 
That definitely made interesting/disturbing reading & Im just shaking my head that this could even happen . Welcome to AFF & best of luck with getting some answers / resolution . As others have said , keep us all up to date with your progress.
 
And why isn't a phone agent at QF empowered to call upon the powers to get authority / take delegation / wake up the right people to instigate a standard process to get these kind of resolutions. Surely it's not the first time they've dealt with something like this before.

I suspect that, in the same way the call centre person "didn't know how" to call a cab (??!!), she also didn't know who to call in QF to fix this mess. As others have noted, QF certainly has a process, but this staff member didn't know how to activate it. But why on earth didn't she ask her supervisor??

Of course, it really shouldn't have been up to her, anyway - if Operations had done what it had promised, and had the cabs waiting at BNE. Two things occur to me:
a) I wonder if QF Ops did in fact call one of the BNE cab companies, ordered 100 cabs to the airport for 2am, and the cab call centre person said "yeah, sure" and hung up, thinking it was a practical joke?
b) given that the pax weren't going to get their bags that night anyway, it would have made much more sense for the QF bus to have dropped the pax in the BNE CBD, where there would have been cabs (and where many of the out-of-town pax would probably have been heading anyway).

All up, a litany of errors, each one compounding on the previous!
 
Agree Qantas at great fault. But in addition, the bus driver should not have dropped passengers at a closed terminal - the driver should have a duty of care to leave passengers at a safe destination (which might have been the city rail terminal or a 24hr hotel with access to transport & accommodation).
 
Wow. Thanks everyone!

I was expecting to be told that I was overreacting!

To answer some of your questions:
- there were no AFP around. The airport was completely deserted. I did not see anyone who was not on the plane with us.
- there were about 40-50 people on my bus I think. There was a second bus carrying more passengers which we were told was about 30 mins behind us. This would have arrived about 10 minutes after I got into a cab should it have run on time. I have no idea how they would have gotten home. Especially those going to the Sunshine Coast etc.
- I've seen lots of examples where QF have gone out of their way to help people in situations like this. Which is why I want them to look into what went so drastically wrong!

I'd have done a few things differently:

- always ask for names of people you speak to, and a direct number to call back should your phone drop out
- call local police on their non-emergency number, describe the situation and the pax, ask for a patrol to attend.
- call Brisbane Airport security (should be listed on their website?)
- social media is there. use it.
- escalate! always escalate.
- I wouldn't have... encouraged... the bus driver to leave. A bus is at least warm and secure.
- could there have been people on the plane who hadn't been processed by Customs / DIAC? that would have been another avenue to gain attention.
 
I'd have done a few things differently:

- always ask for names of people you speak to, and a direct number to call back should your phone drop out
- call local police on their non-emergency number, describe the situation and the pax, ask for a patrol to attend.
- call Brisbane Airport security (should be listed on their website?)
- social media is there. use it.
- escalate! always escalate.
- I wouldn't have... encouraged... the bus driver to leave. A bus is at least warm and secure.
- could there have been people on the plane who hadn't been processed by Customs / DIAC? that would have been another avenue to gain attention.

Always easy in hindsight. I think when you are tired, confused and stressed and also thinking that Qantas had things organised that details like this would just not even be on the radar.
 
Of course, it really shouldn't have been up to her, anyway - if Operations had done what it had promised, and had the cabs waiting at BNE. Two things occur to me:
a) I wonder if QF Ops did in fact call one of the BNE cab companies, ordered 100 cabs to the airport for 2am, and the cab call centre person said "yeah, sure" and hung up, thinking it was a practical joke?
b) given that the pax weren't going to get their bags that night anyway, it would have made much more sense for the QF bus to have dropped the pax in the BNE CBD, where there would have been cabs (and where many of the out-of-town pax would probably have been heading anyway).

I had thought about that. Like I mentioned, getting 100 cabs at a time at that point of the day would be a challenge. Not insurmountable though, and if they were to be charged back to a master Qantas account (because it would be improper to leave the pax holding the bag on the bill, even with promise of reimbursement), wouldn't the cab company (read: the dispatcher) put two and two together?

If not, the dispatcher needs to be added to the body bag count. (Yes, I do realise there are idiots in BNE who will call the cab company and pull pranks like order cabs to non-existent places, or try and order a pizza and shout abuse down the line. Unfortunately, natural selection is not quite up to speed on this yet...)

For 100 cabs, I don't think there would be that many on the road at that time, let alone they have to actually accept the job given to them (drivers may see the job but they don't have to accept it). So it would be somewhat a slow feed of drivers going back and forth (though if there were 100 cabs at that time, given the day and time, they would be morbidly stupid to turn down such a job). In other words, there would need to be some QF coordination, not to mention some cabs will certainly go home but others need to be to organised accommodation.

Dropping pax in the BNE CBD and leaving them to their devices will not solve the problem. Admittedly, I'm surprised and not surprised that there isn't the Operations Manager for BNE on hand to deal with this crisis (unlike had it happened in SYD), i.e. wake him/her up, get him dressed and set up a point of contact to deal with these cases. The shuttle driver would just be following orders so hard to pin him/her down for negligence or lack of duty of care.

What was required was a considered and organised response from QF as soon as the crisis was made known to QF, as well as assurance for all pax of a single point and method of resolution. All of that, plus the necessary ounce of empathy, was clearly lacking.


What the OP's case has also demonstrated is that both BNE and OOL Airports are completely ill equipped to deal with such a crisis; it's almost embarrassing in the greater context when you think BNE and OOL are trying to prove they deserve something on the world stage and then they decide to show how incompetent they are in supporting the airlines let alone the greater operation of the airport and it's purpose. It's lucky that in the grand scheme of things, this is a minor incident. Had it been a more serious incident, then not even God can save us as to how are we supposed to cope........
 
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Always easy in hindsight. I think when you are tired, confused and stressed and also thinking that Qantas had things organised that details like this would just not even be on the radar.

Yep.

Plus at 3am in the morning and after being on a plane/bus for 6-7 hours, my phone was at about 3% power (the call to QFF Cust Service dropped it into the low single digits) and I needed to conserve everything I had (screen was dimmed, 3G off, BT and Wifi all off) just in case I needed to wake up someone to come and grab me!

A few people did take photos of us sitting on the kerb, but I tried searching hashtags/handles on twitter to no avail. :(
 
Similar experience to Bam1748 on a flight from LAX to SYD a few years back. Long delay on the apron in LAX, crew duty would be exceeded enroute so flt cancelled. All fine onboard but QF dropped the ball as soon as 300 pax stepped off the a/c... I'm not saying sorting that out in the middle of the night would be easy but it was a shambles. But I wouldnt compare my exp with OPs, his was a shocker.

FYI, about 8 wks later a voucher arrived, no apology letter just the voucher. Shame of it was that the company had paid for original ticket so company claimed the voucher *sadface* even though I was the one delayed, messed around and with a pile of unfinished work waiting for me. Cest la vie.
 
I'd have done a few things differently:

- always ask for names of people you speak to, and a direct number to call back should your phone drop out
- call local police on their non-emergency number, describe the situation and the pax, ask for a patrol to attend.
- call Brisbane Airport security (should be listed on their website?)
- social media is there. use it.
- escalate! always escalate.
- I wouldn't have... encouraged... the bus driver to leave. A bus is at least warm and secure.
- could there have been people on the plane who hadn't been processed by Customs / DIAC? that would have been another avenue to gain attention.

A police patrol wouldn't have attended, the situation wouldn't fit their attendance criteria.

Getting any assistance from the AFP is like a lottery - good luck!
 
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Thats an epic tale of incompetence of QF's part, and I have been reading a few horror/inconvenience stories on this site for a few years. I am very surprised it hasn't made the mainstream media either.
 
Wow - what a mess! I would expect at least a full apology, refund of the flight cost and some sort of sweetner (F lounge invite? Dom upgrade?).

One thing that I don't understand - how do you land at a closed airport?
 
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