QF127/128 A380 reduced to 3 times per week

[Aussie_flyer]

Since Qantas have pissed off their customers so much flying across the Indian Ocean, might as well start to annoy your customers flying across the Atlantic and claim the international business is unprofitable. QF 11/12 down to 388 4xwk too!

Seriously, Alan Joyce needs to be deported before he does any more damage to an Australian icon.

What?? Qantas do not operate trans-Atlantic flights. Please check google earth.

 

[Simo]

You could say any port to HKG has been in retreat to CX, clearly frequency and smaller aircraft are the key:

		Inbound					Outbound
Scheduled Operator	Service to/from	No. of	Pax	Seats	Seat		No. of	Pax	Seats	Seat
		Flights	Carried	Available	Utilisation %		Flights	Carried	Available	Utilisation %
Cathay Pacific Airways	Hong Kong (SAR)	309	61 908	77 236	80.2		310	65 157	77 500	84.1
Qantas Airways	Hong Kong (SAR)	110	24 279	34 619	70.1		110	24 257	34 641	70.0

Correct me if I am wrong but HKG is CX's base and QF only pass through there.

I have been on CX flights go to destinations in Asia that QF don't go to anyway.

If you used figures from SYD or BNE it would pushed towards QF as well.

 

[markis10]

Correct me if I am wrong but HKG is CX's base and QF only pass through there.

I have been on CX flights go to destinations in Asia that QF don't go to anyway.

If you used figures from SYD or BNE it would pushed towards QF as well.

Most of QFs flights are ex BNE or SYD, it would not vary the picture much at all!

 

[Sprucegoose]

That only applies to a certain number of 747's though. Not all of them have the new product on board

How many to go? Are they all getting reconf? Agree it only affects the F crowd.

CX appear more competitive on this route $$.

 

[Platinum A332]

I meant no intentional racism from my statement, so have changed my wording.

We can't deport Australian citizens.

And we could do without the offensive racist undertones of your comment, thanks. If he was black, would you say that we needed someone with white skin too??

No.

 

[mannej]

How many to go? Are they all getting reconf? Agree it only affects the F crowd.

CX appear more competitive on this route $$.

I would say there are 2 left to go, being OTJ and OJS

There are 9 getting the recon. According to theqantassource, the aircraft are:

In February 2010 QANTAS announced that by
2014 it would have a longhaul fleet consisting of only nine 747-400s. These
will all be reduced to a three-class layout featuring Business, Premium
Economy and Economy in a 364 seat layout. All on-board products will be to
A380 standards including fully flat Skybeds in Business Class and A380 quality
In Flight Entertainment throughout. The nine remaining aircraft are expected to
be VH-OJS, VH-OJT, VH-OJU and the six ER models -
VH-OEE, VH-OEF, VH-OEG, VH-OEH, VH-OEI and VH-OEJ.
Work will commence at Avalon in late 2011.

 

[Platinum A332]

Wednesdays SYD-HKG flight was operated by a reconfigured Boeing 747-400 (i.e. no First). Sunday last week, Thursday and Friday were operated by VH-OQD (i.e. new config A380).

No wonder CX enjoys higher load factors.

 

[mannej]

Wednesdays SYD-HKG flight was operated by a reconfigured Boeing 747-400 (i.e. no First). Sunday last week, Thursday and Friday were operated by VH-OQD (i.e. new config A380).

No wonder CX enjoys higher load factors.

I am not so sure how you can draw parralels between the two. CX don't operate F to Australia, and I would assume a lot of it comes down to schedule.

 

[Platinum A332]

I am not so sure how you can draw parralels between the two. CX don't operate F to Australia, and I would assume a lot of it comes down to schedule.

More to do with the fact that QF has been inconsistent for quite a while in the allocation of aircraft between Australia and Hong Kong. Whilst CX doesn't operate F, you are at least ensured that if you book a certain flight number, you get a high standard product.

 

[JohnK]

Unless you are on a re-furbed 747, there is no difference between the product on the 330 and 747. Any differences are perceived

Difference is not perceived.

Let's not compare an A330 and a 747. They should not even be spoken about in the same breath.

Now back to my flying experience which is extremely important to me. The A330 has 2 non-bassinet aisle bulkhead seats (23B and 23J) and I have to alternate my feet to stretch out into the aisle. I would not spend more than 1-2 hours in either 23A or 23K. Very restricted leg room and I spent a SIN-PER flight in one of these seats and my feet were numb for ages after we landed.

The 747 has way more non-bassinet bulkhead (with extra leg room thanks to cut-out) seats and even 41HJK are better as they have crew rest in front.

So anyone who thinks I am not losing anything if a 747 or A380 is substituted with an A330 is having me on. If I book to travel on a 747 or A380 I do so expecting that product and I if had known in the beginning that the route was going to be serviced by an A330 then I would route the long way to get the aircraft type I want....

 

[mannej]

Difference is not perceived.

Let's not compare an A330 and a 747. They should not even be spoken about in the same breath.

Now back to my flying experience which is extremely important to me. The A330 has 2 non-bassinet aisle bulkhead seats (23B and 23J) and I have to alternate my feet to stretch out into the aisle. I would not spend more than 1-2 hours in either 23A or 23K. Very restricted leg room and I spent a SIN-PER flight in one of these seats and my feet were numb for ages after we landed.

The 747 has way more non-bassinet bulkhead (with extra leg room thanks to cut-out) seats and even 41HJK are better as they have crew rest in front.

So anyone who thinks I am not losing anything if a 747 or A380 is substituted with an A330 is having me on. If I book to travel on a 747 or A380 I do so expecting that product and I if had known in the beginning that the route was going to be serviced by an A330 then I would route the long way to get the aircraft type I want....

John - lets look at the facts.

Non refurbed 747 and 330 have the same product in both y and j. No difference there.

Difference comes from personal preferences. Some say the 747 is the queen of the sky, yet others may like the fact that the 330 has 2-2-2 in j or 2-4-2 in y compared to what the 747 offers.

Let's not get perceived differences confused with the difference in hard product (it's the same is it not)

 

[JohnK]

Let's not get perceived differences confused with the difference in hard product (it's the same is it not)

It is not the same. I do not purchase "hard" product alone. I purchase the economy package as a whole and that includes leg room.

Sorry but it is that simple in my mind. I wish the airlines saw it this way as well.

 

[christopherc]

Does anyone know if the QF87 has changed the seats to fully flat beds or not ?

 

[mannej]

Does anyone know if the QF87 has changed the seats to fully flat beds or not ?

If its 330 then no still angled flat

 

[fbrimfield]

It is not the same. I do not purchase "hard" product alone. I purchase the economy package as a whole and that includes leg room.

Sorry but it is that simple in my mind. I wish the airlines saw it this way as well.

I agree with John, flying two seperate aircrafts are a different experience even if the seats are the same. One aircraft is pressurised at a lower artificial altitude, once has more room in the galleys, and toilet areas, one has a self service bar, one has a quieter and more private upper deck, or a more comfortable nose area, etc etc.

The differences are small, but if given the choice between flying a 747 or an 330 with the same hard product, would most people choose the A330? Probably not. Can you put your finger on one thing why people might make this choice? No, because they're little differences.

 

[geordieladinoz]

Back to the original topic. Having flown on QF127 on Thursday 2nd August I can only presume this is an A380 run to keep them busy. I was in 48C (reconfigured plane) and was told all classes were at about 66% capacity. Hopefully QF128 was busier then the same on Saturday/Sunday or its a waste. Doing QF128 on Thursday 9th so we shall see?

 

[JohnPhelan]

Let's not compare an A330 and a 747. They should not even be spoken about in the same breath.

If I book to travel on a 747 or A380 I do so expecting that product and I if had known in the beginning that the route was going to be serviced by an A330 then I would route the long way to get the aircraft type I want....

Amen to that. I often go the long way to avoid the A330.

 

[serfty]

John - lets look at the facts.

Non refurbed 747 and 330 have the same product in both y and j. No difference there.

Difference comes from personal preferences. Some say the 747 is the queen of the sky, yet others may like the fact that the 330 has 2-2-2 in j or 2-4-2 in y compared to what the 747 offers.

Let's not get perceived differences confused with the difference in hard product (it's the same is it not)

Actually, it's not "queen of the Sky" or any thing like that - or even IFE.

you seem to have JohnK's specific mention of non bassinet bulkhead aisle seating - that's his personal preference as he 1) does not like to run the risk of people reclining into him and 2) could be made to make way for PAX wishing to use the bassinets.

330's have two such seats, both of which he can find uncomfortable.

388's and 744 have more than two ...

 

[BobbyFlyer]

QF confirmed to me today (and is now on their website) that QF11/12 will be operated by B747 on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays until 27 November 2012.

Wish they'd said that when i booked back in Feb (on a A380 now 747).

 

[markis10]

QF confirmed to me today (and is now on their website) that QF11/12 will be operated by B747 on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays until 27 November 2012.

Wish they'd said that when i booked back in Feb (on a A380 now 747).

Airline route reported yesterday in terms of what has been loaded into the GDS:

Details:

Sydney – Hong Kong 3 weekly A380 service instead of 4 weekly will operate until 25NOV12
QF127 SYD1040 – 1800HKG 744 x456
QF127 SYD1040 – 1800HKG 388 456
QF087 SYD1425 – 2200HKG 330 x246
QF128 HKG2005 – 0720+1SYD 744 x456
QF128 HKG2005 – 0720+1SYD 388 456
QF088 HKG2330 – 1050+1SYD 330 x246
QF127/128 Day 7 A380 service resumes from 01DEC12. Above schedule is only in effect until 05OCT12
Sydney – Los Angeles 4 weekly A380 and 3 weekly 747-400 operates until 26NOV12, instead of previously planned 30SEP12
QF107 SYD1000 – 0635LAX 744 D
QF011 SYD1305 – 0940LAX 744 135
QF011 SYD1305 – 0945LAX 388 x135
QF012 LAX2210 – 0605+2SYD 744 135
QF012 LAX2210 – 0610+2SYD 388 x135
QF108 LAX2350 – 0740+2SYD 744 D
Daily A380 service on QF011/012 to resume from 27NOV12. Above schedule is only in effect until 05OCT12